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I'm sure half of the people saying that q4 sucks didn't even tried it.

I tried it, it sucks.

ID made also the mistake, to say, the MP will be much similiar with Q3, so they let grow the hope of q3 players. Its not the players mistake, that they expected a game where they just must switch too, its IDs and Ravens fault to claim, that the MP-part will be like Q3.

And Q4 seems to suck in generall, too. Just look the ammount of active players. Even the funmod "e+" has more players as the whole Q4. (At least if u believe varios Serverbrowsers).

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... ID should learn from Epic how to make great sequels. All Unreal Tournament games were fun.

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[I tried it, it sucks.

Not true. Unreal Tournament was somewhat popular but really didn't come into its own until UT2003. And look at what it took to make UT2003 better - faster game play, jump pads, etc. I remember playing 16 player LAN parties back then and all of us remarking (gladly) that UT2003 had taken on some Q3 qualities.

When UT2004 came out, all the old players were happy that all the 2003 maps would still be playable. But, despite all the improvements UT2004 brought, many still had issues with it. Why? - because of some of the same things said about Q4, such as - requires a better CPU, more memory, better graphic card, and more HDD space.

Both id and Epic have tried with every release to improve the games as they saw fit. But it's a matter of damned if you do and damned if you don't. There's almost no way be satisfy everyone.

There ARE other reasons why Q4 has not taken off as well as expected - First, id took their sweet time to release the SDK. Second, unlike UT2004, all the maps and mods had to be recreated with a new SDK which was late. Third, the world in 2005 (when Q4 was released) was much different from the world back in December 1999 (when Q3 was released). In 2005, there were (and still are) a lot of really good MP games out there - WoW, CoD, MoH, CS Source|CS 1.6, Battlefield 1942|2|2142, Wolfenstein, Warcraft III, etc.

But despite all that, Q4 doesn't suck, it's just different.

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Not true. Unreal Tournament was somewhat popular but really didn't come into its own until UT2003. And look at what it took to make UT2003 better - faster game play, jump pads, etc. I remember playing 16 player LAN parties back then and all of us remarking (gladly) that UT2003 had taken on some Q3 qualities.

What? From where you took this info? UT'99 was and IS very popular. Just look how many ppl still plays it.

btw: My first FPS multiplayer game which I played a lot was UT99, for year or so I liked it lot more then q3 (which I didnt played at all).

You didnt even try to c the context of my second post and u did't read my previos post after your 1st post.

"I tried it, it sucks" is a personal statement. Since i have Q4 since the 1st day, i was able to built this oppinion about Q4, i pre-orderered it a half year before before the release date. And for me, Q4 sucks, not matter what u try to say. Even if i like some points in it, like a pointed out in my 1st post in this thread. Pls dont try to tell me, how i have to call things, if this is my true oppinion about something, which i built out of my own experience. Thx in advance.

ID and Raven simply not kept what they have promised.

But maybe the next time when i post my oppinion, i will write a text of 12.000 words to explain my oppinion, so nobody can turn arround my post on my fingers.