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Simple ranking system discussion
27. December 2010 - 15:19
Hi,
I was wondering if ppl would prefer something as simple as to have fw and play as "ranked".
Whatever a clan plays, you have no point. You only have trophies when participating to an event.
Use-case example :
A new weak clan is created, it has few experienced players and no awards at all. they keep loosing on events and fws = cws (same on that case) but they earn experience.
As no clan has points and this weak clan has no awards at all same as an average clan that hasn't earned yet awards, they will keep playing and will not be demotivated so the weak clan dies.
Expected result
The expected result is to have many events running (played as fast as common as fws) where the 3 clans on top get awards 
(gold, silver & bronze) or 4 top clans (platine, gold, silver & bronze)
An event shouldn't last more than 2weeks and has only 8 clans to make ppl more interested.
In the perspective of this idea:
actual "team" would mean a buddy list
and actual "clan" would mean a serious team playing for fun and having official awards.
Other related ideas :
I propose also for some fast event to make as example 6vs6 minimum.
There could be some 2vs2 clan events means some players get involved on some events.
That system will brink for sure more interest and easier management.
Side notes :
- as it's the event organiser who decides what rules should be used, I advice that referees shouldn't be a must for the simple reason, few referees are available on the same time.
- mvds on each game ? come on
make things easier, I think even mvd could be avoided if both clans agree on. - Many more event organisers should propose themselfs to have many events
- for actual ranking (1vs1 included) it has always been somehow unfair, some plays 30games and be on top of ranking by quantity while some plays less even if they have 0 loss and they are not on top (ever happened to some famous clans).
- Just see how many events started and ended late on never ended cos of many clans and many games needed
Now pls start discussing if you wish.
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27. December 2010 - 15:20
#1
Germany
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
never change a running system.
27. December 2010 - 15:57
#3
United Kingdom
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
Since we have new ranking mods, new year is coming then we could
actually start new chapter. Make a new ranking system ?
Why not.
What I actually see on e+ now is that people are affraid of playing CW.
Nobody wants to lose, so clans are playing when they actually are forced
by rules of event that they are participating in.
IMO we have not enought small events. We only have 2/3 big events
per year. So all clans must participate in them, if clan is inactive
in period when event starts, then this clan will be forced to inactivity
till this particular event lasts :E
IMO would be perfect to make many small events.
And only 1 big tdm + 1 big tag.
Not some "summer, autumn, winter, spring huge events"
Instead of that we could have "TAG 2011" and "TDM 2011"
+ many small events, 1-2 weeks lasting small events.
27. December 2010 - 17:01
#4
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
make in 2011 in rail side section pls:
Rail TDM 2011
Rail FTAG 2011
Rail CTF 2011
Rail Total 2011
Rail Neverending
like plus has :]
about the events:
mini cups for example for 4-6 clans for plus and rail:
spring mini cup railonly and plusn ftag 2011
spring mini cup railonly and plusn tdm 2011
summer mini cup plusn and rail tdm 2011
summer mini cup plusn and rail ftag 2011
autumn mini cup railonly and plusn ftag 2011
autumn mini cup railonly and plusn tdm 2011
winter mini cup plusn and rail ftag 2011
winter mini cup plusn and rail tdm 2011
And only 1 big TDM + 1 big FTAG for 16 clans for both sides plusn and railonly.
Like: E+ TDM MASTERS 2011 and E+ FTAG MASTERS 2011
also making 1vs1 events ofc! .)
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27. December 2010 - 16:10
#5
United Kingdom
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
I dunno if u are aware of what I was about to create on e+ with epsilon and |sf|bart'us from ufreeze.
Plan was to make whole new ranking for railonly side, divide all configs to seperate ladders and bring
people from all other railonly mods.
There was even a sketchbook of ideas and some graphical project how it would work.
Too bad my PC burned that time 
I would be still ranking mod and propably we would
have here about 10 new railonly clans.
And yes their would be ladders for instagib, ufreeze, efreeze, ictf, bananrail, rr, r4e09f and instaunlagged.
Also summarry of those would be "overall railonly masters"
Motto was: "why devide railonly players to seperate mods, when E+ can handle all of them just by changing
weapon configs"
I still think it would work out, but I am too lazy for it now.
27. December 2010 - 17:48
#6
United Kingdom
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
ELO system works, don't break it 
Also instead of minicups, just get in touch with clanbase staff, show them the mod and ranking and try to add excessiveplus eurocup
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29. December 2010 - 22:58
#7
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
We can adapt the old system to the new proposal to select the best things from each idea.
30. December 2010 - 0:14
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Re: Simple ranking system discussion
Terror, would u kindly mind please to not just post out of ur very own taste? Devide, devide, devide, yea, make 15 brake away factions. Remind, for each ranking you can join 1 clan. Huzzah! ... some clanhoppers dreams will come true....
We all know that you have something against banana.cfg, since in ur taste its not a railonly config, because you can move with weapons. For others people tastes other railonly configs are not railonly, since u can kill with rail AND gauntlet ^^
My only suggestion is, simplify everything here.
again, <pause>, bbl a few days more
€dit: KK i did read your post again, not that bad as in first reading, but deviding so much is also not good.
30. December 2010 - 0:55
#9
United Kingdom
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
wrote:Since we have new ranking mods, new year is coming then we could
actually start new chapter. Make a new ranking system ?
Why not.
What I actually see on e+ now is that people are affraid of playing CW.
Nobody wants to lose, so clans are playing when they actually are forced
by rules of event that they are participating in.
IMO we have not enought small events. We only have 2/3 big events
per year. So all clans must participate in them, if clan is inactive
in period when event starts, then this clan will be forced to inactivity
till this particular event lasts :E
IMO would be perfect to make many small events.
And only 1 big tdm + 1 big tag.
Not some "summer, autumn, winter, spring huge events"
Instead of that we could have "TAG 2011" and "TDM 2011"
+ many small events, 1-2 weeks lasting small events.
100% right Terror !!!
far too much emphasis is put on rank and and clans are scared to loose rank
Hopefully the new team can work sumit out that all clans can take part in FWs and CWs
Without fear of loosing face .
Lucky for our clan , we only play for fun and dont care who kicks our butts
The most important thing is to take part , no matter the out come
But hey , i could be wrong ?
30. December 2010 - 5:29
#10
Canada
Re: Simple ranking system discussion
Quote:
[quote="MowLy"Devide, devide, devide, yea, make 15 brake away factions. Remind, for each ranking you can join 1 clan. Huzzah! ... some clanhoppers dreams will come true....
making lots of areas which clans cans be ranked in, will make new clans but there will still be only a rail and a plus side, so even if 2 clans use different rail configs/plus configs they will still be considered either rail or plus, so there will still be only two types and there the same amount of clanhopping we have already. what will need to consider is how to do a united rank for each side plus/rail.
or ofc you could just have it so will can all only join one clan which can enter either plus or rail if they want but wont be considered a "config based clan" but " just a clan in general" however i dont think e+ has the population for this. 
never mind i realized that this system (if you saw it 
i edited it out) has one fatal error in it i shan't go on about it. 
i also cant seem to rule out same writing
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No problem. Stop the system then replace it
Edit:
ppl say : "never change a working system" but actually it doesn't work so good.
I have played a cw only 2 or 3 times during 2years. Guess why!?
I check ranking only once a year or if some1 ask me to check.
I have played more or less 80 fws during last year
next year is soon, so let ppl discuss.
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