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As far as I can see there has been no proof for Goof cheating. First they told he cheated, then they told he did not, now he cheated again. He is always telling that he wants to play with pb on the whole time and nobody is interested in that. Is this the way how this "great" community makes a cheater out of a person, who has never been a proven cheater?
Activate PB during league , let Goof play and look if he will be good.
This whole behavior here makes me just say one thing:
POOR COMMUNITY !!!
I know that this post will be senseless, because nobody seems to be interested in the facts and everybody got his point of view, mostly based on presumptions, but we have a saying in Germany:
"The one who is silent, agrees" and I dont do !!!
I agree with u mec .....
Cheating shouldn't be a relative determination ...it can be, but those who want to stick with that should keep their thoughts to themselves.
I dont feel good about commiting "miscarriage of justice" thats why this community shouldn't brand ppl base on their gut feelings nomatter how high the rank in respect or commitment.
Many ppl here also dont like to give ppl second chances ...and follow that rule blindly. I dont agree with that also, rules should be allowed to be bend and broken and wether or not to give a second even a third chance should be done on an individual level imo.
you even changed your name to goof because you told me you had a 'cheating history' with other names. now hows about that ?
is this hearsay or did he actually say this too you tyrant ?
if he did its room for massive concern..
and sorry un I have to totally disagree 100 percent if someone is caught cheating on public a sever no chance what so ever should be given, to be lenient undermines the whole community, and disrespects the players around you. If there is 100 percent proof and a second chance is given it’ don’t expect everyone to agree
maybe there is a reason for admins to check cheats to find ways of catching cheaters, but this should be don’t on private servers.
zero tolerance is the only way I will ever see it, though I don’t except everyone will agree
sorry this is sorta of topic.
I totally agree wax, but Goof was never caught by PB.
There was never a proof, only presumptions. In this situation a second chance should be ok. If they activate PB during league and Goof rocks as he did in past, isnt this a way to show that he doesnt need cheats to be good and he might be an excellent player himself?
And wont this be a hint that he is no cheater?
Giving him a second chance in this case is absolutely fair in my eyes. We dont have the right to judge about "maybe"-cheaters and kick them out the community.
There are indeed suspicions about goof and with out doubt it was a mistake on his part to join ger, goof to my knowledge has never been kicked by pb or caught cheating. So to this end a second chance is not even part of the equation as he didn’t use his first.
That said what we must remember when people brag big and quick about being never caught by pb,(though I always find it odd the way goof says I have never been ‘caught’ by pb maybe its just translation) that there are cheats that bypass pb and I imagine there always will be. unfortunately for the more advanced cheats we are left with only expert eyes and time consuming avi making like HQ catching neowolf for example
so no solution but still imo surrounded by suspicion
wax u can disagree all u like .....and my wiev might undermine YOU idea of what the community is about.
If u are caught by Pb then imo u are a cheater ..but i also belive that cheating in this sence can be compared....i mean there are probably different motives...hence second chance on individual basis.
I dont think i want to outline the margin that seperate the cheaters we dont want and the cheaters we do want ...i hope u can find some fictional examples urself.
There is a very important point in this ...
imo if u have to cheat to win then u deserve to get banned but if u cheat and never get caught then....
The fact remains that Goof rejoined GER and I'm sure that he knew he was playing with cheaters (unsun.gunner) and who knows who else.
I dont think i want to outline the margin that seperate the cheaters we dont want and the cheaters we do want ...
There is a very important point in this ...
well I cant think of any conceivable situation where I would want to play with cheaters.
you are saying you can ?
can you please talk in a other topic about that?
goof wont play - end of discussion