all my respect to pandora.
he said what he thinks, in fact he always does that (not a sucker up),
he didnt offend anyone, i agree with everything he said.
and still rena continues to be a holy cow..
some things never change

I think that discussing on e+ forum stands on higher lvl that on other forums. Even if those two don't like each other and think otherwise still can make constructive conversation.
>>Look here how players can really insulting and be rude<<

About formating text... imho a lot of options on this forum like for example ; posiibility of making our orginal tags,avatars,attaching diverse signatures, photos, uploading and ofc emots and formatting text have one point - encourage people to posting and discussing here. there is no rule talking that it's forbidden and so on. Just like on servers, some players just prefer walking with rail and others using all weapons and sometimes somebody say - hey!! stop using mg!! or stop grenade spamming!! Everything was created by someone to using it like you wish or think and if rights are restricted there's nothing to talk about.

Madbringer wrote

He probably is the hardest working member of this community. And his work on Clan ranking is superb, so is (was? where is it ) his newspapers. He is, IMHO, not a good admin however. He, in this very topic calls Pandora brave and arrogant because he posts "negative" posts about him. If there is nothing to be afraid of to post negative things about him, then you don't have to be brave correct? I see that as a hidden threat, but maybe that's just me

Madbringer wrote:

If you compare 2 different situations, and have only been present during one of these situations, how can you have "perspective"?

And, Madbringer, you say something in your post that really sums the feel of the community today up perfectly. You say that you didnt have to do something special to get attention. That's the biggest different in the "old" community and the present the way I see it. People weren't chasing attention as much. The admin's and the most "respected" people today are marked by postcount. and 95% of posts from most of them have zero value. We had a few postcount chasers back then too, but they werent really looking for attention, rather the number (Slipstream anyone?)

Alien got his respect by his contributions to this community both as a clanleader/player and as a very serious cheaterhunter (by means of configuring his pb cfg and sharing it), and his postcount was very low, Ogre got his respect for beeing a great player and a modest helpful person, also very low postcount, others got respect from other means of contributions. The VALUE of the actual posts and actions rather than the NUMBER of posts and actions.

There are those here in this community that have the same sense of contributing to the community only because they want to help like it was back then, but nowadays too many people just want their name to be recognized.

Maybe this is all due to the increased player pool, more people = less tight community. I guess there is no way around it. All in all the e+ community still has a very friendly atmosphere and most people treat eachother with respect. As in any community with more than 10 people not everyone will like eachother. Just accept that not everyone will like you and move on..

As a final note, and this one is not directed at anyone in particular. Respect has to be earned, and earned from each person individually. I am not going to respect someone until he has earned that respect from me. I don't really care about titles, mod rights or whatever, I care about actions.

He's not a Admin, he's a Moderator in one of the subforums. My only problem here is that Pan, using a clever word combination, calls Rena an idiot, and while accusing him of looking down on other ppl does the same thing. That is not cool. I won't ever say such behaviour is good, not unless it's justified, and in this case the only "justification" would be Pan's negative feelings towards him, nothing else.

Got me here. I was looking for the right word, but couldn't find one, i guess i meant my vision of today's events is not clouded by what happened in the past, in relation to current E+ events

Aw man, that's a touchy subject to me. I already got a few whips for "spamming" the forums, and because of the big amount of posts i made in relatively short time i'm being percieved by some as a whore. I sincirely hope that majority of the stuff i write isn't considered as useless garbage, because making lots of meaningless posts IS NOT my point. And i'm not looking to gain respect through my postcount, i mean, what kind of respect that would be? I hope people will get to know me better and find out i'm really one of the good guys. I am, of course, perfectly aware that not all people are fond of me, but i think i've made far more friends than enemies in this great community. I'm doing all that is in my power to contribute at least a little, if only through my posts. Plz don't hate me for that

I agree up until the "i don't really care about titles" part. Admins are Admins, and Mods are Mods. They're not some random ppl that were picked out of a crowd, they're carefully selected candidates that comply with certain criteria. Now, i don't ask ppl to kiss their asses and praise them and other bullshit like that. But the least you can do is NOT call them idiots in front of everyone. You say that very often yourself, Bo. If you have a problem with someone, take it private.