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both games won by wo, because they win with cheat they know or not... i think no rematch... both loosers are now the winners..
asph
Yeah, same feelings here. Cheating should be rigorously banned. Anybody can say "oh, sorry i didnt know he is cheating" to avoid punishment..
@asph. We won it even if they cheated
Even if d1s is a cheater (and he is) there isn't any proof that he was cheating vs EVOL (he played 1 map and had the same scores like other players). And it's stupid to punish the whole bcz of one cheater (and I don't believe that DVINSK knew that d1s is a cheater).
(and I don't believe that DVINSK knew that d1s is a cheater).
which is true , we shouldnt be punished for one mishap. I wasnt in clan
for the EVOL clan war but if they want a rematch they can have one.
Im sure Dvinsk leaders would be up for it.
So you weren't eligible for the last 2 games, and yet you played. Oska this is complete shambles, you will have a hard time explaining to any clan when/if you decide to start enforcing the rules. :roll:
So you weren't eligible for the last 2 games, and yet you played. Oska this is complete shambles, you will have a hard time explaining to any clan when/if you decide to start enforcing the rules. :roll:
actually i think this is best cup organisation we have seen in long time. Most times rules were followed but leniency is nice when common sense applies. Its the first time we had a cheater-bearing clan which doesnt follow player list and takes 15 days to play a war from 10 day bracket. Every other clan had not made that many mistakes. Fair enough no one is perfect but there is a large difference with making a mistake and just blatently taking the piss. So by common sense there should be different reactions. Out of 3 games played, first 2 were late and had a guy who hacks and has been known to sling shit on forum, and third game with a dude who was supposed to wait 2 weeks cos he is a new transfer? Come on :roll:
TBH i'm not crazy about 100 different rules and punishments handed out at first offence (priority no1 should be a smooth running cup), i'm just saying that when Oska will start enforcing them - there will always be the argument that they weren't in the past. And that's a valid point to make. It kinda undermines the whole idea of having rules in the first place.
3rd round is finished (or close to be finished) but still no update. I guess that's bcz of some problems with Dvinsk... This cup is really good organised, and it's normal that it has some problems. But looks like it's time to solve it. Oska is the organiser so he should say his final words about:
1) Game DS-Dvinsk. Dvinsk won 1 map due to cheater d1s. Should they rematch it or what? Also X-Factor played and as I know he had to miss this game... Am I right or?
2) Game Evol-Dvinsk. On one map d1s, who was cathed like the cheater, was playing. But we don't have any proof that he used cheated on it. Even it looks like he didn't use it. So what they should do?
3) Game Deva-Dvinsk. At the one side - again situation with X-Factor. At the another - both games were played on the european server. And that's unhonestly ofc. I was ref on the second map, and DEVA after map left it very fast. Dvinsk thought that they will rematch the whole map (both maps + tie-map if it will be needed). But if DEVA was going to play only one map than why they played it on european server again? Bcz they knew that on american server they don't have chance? OK but than the total score should be 2-1 for DEVA, not 2-0.
The last word I wanna say... Dvinsk is the only clan from the USA here. They play at the afternoon, and played the whole tie-map vs DS at the european server. I think they should have than a little allowance. I mean - no punishment for the playing of X-factor, bcz for them it's more difficult to find 4 ppl bcz of the time... About other situations - Oska should decide what to do.
Well hazo, everyone knows meanwhile who is d1s, everyone knows that he bought a custom made hack passing pb+pure. Most people can see that he used wallhack and autoshot on the cw. There will be never a solid proof, since he hack is not detected by pb and he can bypass pure. It is a pitty, but YES, such cheats do exist. Not for public download ofc, otherwise they wouldn't be undetected.
If we start now to support semi-professional cheaters (paying for cheats just to have a individual hack which nobody else has it in this form), than we can stop using pb+pure and allow any other cheater to join clans and play cws, since it would be unfair if we allow d1s, because his custom-hacks, and others not.
i know u hack better then d1s ascari