historical warfare (or just history)
thanks!- i found that now.-
but im still missin some ...personal experience:
which holidays/ceremonies do they celebrate and how?
...practicly ...in real life ...
Passover (as above), hannukah (12 day holiday during winte equinox... in the same time as Christmas ) ... hendrik, google can help you more than e+ formu
as for thewars, the 6 day conflict of 67 is pretty much the best metaphorical assrape on a battlefield of the 20th century (and considering the technology equivalents, and the numbers, possibly the best use of strategy and terrain since Sparta vs Persians ).. Israel fought a war on 3 fronts (egypt to south, syria to east, and 3rd country (not lebanon, it didnt exist yet... fuck i forgot)... and in with awesome straetigic move, despite being engaged on 3 fronts, used their air force to disable enemy airfields in unison with their armoured divisions to push forward and capture large amounts of land with limited resistance. plus they fucked up the enemy air force so used theirs to support ground units. Unchalleneged. I would even pick this conglict over 43's STalingrad as the defining conflict in modern warfare.
1973's Yom kippur war was supposed to be the payback.
1) Israelis were attacked on a jewish Yom Kippur Holiday
2) Were fighting against egypt & syria this time (still 2 fronts) and both egypt and syria were dedicated to get their shit back. outnumbered on both fronts, they sill ended p somehow defenidng themselves. FOr example, in the golan mountains, syria lost 800+ tanks, while sirael only about 150.
(both egypt and syria were had a technological advantage... Syria's tanks had infra-red vision for whole crew while the isreali tanks had limited night vision, mostly only for commanders... and in a day-night 24hr confrontation, thats a MASSIVE minus )... while egypt wre testing a world first, soviet anti tank remote control missile which did some damage at first, but then certain defensive manouvers were made (move tank when missile is 2/3 of the way, shoot @ guy @ remote control cos he is exposed to watch the missile hit tank, etc.). Anyway, against syria, it was a more succesful aiming startegy, against Egypt, it waz first using theadvantage of western tanks (that can aim their turrets @ 10 degress more than the soviet tanks that egypt had) so you can place an entire tank division behind sand dunes and be virtually inviisble and wait for enemy to get within striking distance) to repel the offensive, and then for the counter, a cunning manouvre where the Isrealis split into 3 groups to
a) make quick temporary bridging across the suez canal and defend it for supplies
place a division to defend itfurther
and c) create a massive diversion awayfrom the actual big picture.
all 3 worked, and c was not a suicide mission either cos they fucked up an egyptian division (despite heavy losses though) @ some place called "chinese farm"
anyway, both fronts were victorious too, but ended up losing conflict cos isreal was forced to give up conquered lands anyway. Its also notable, that the person in charge of the Egyptian front was Gen. Ariel Sharon.
gg. (and i didnt get the Yom Kippur thing from wikipedia either so could be wrong with some minor facts)
thanks, shady! no, i think, ur right ...ive read about it too!-
but i wont concentrate on the wars ...the seminar is about
"jewish rituals" and their modification over the years/time and in allday life.
Said and done! Although judging from past experiences I belive it will be only you and me posting stuff. Not sure which posts I should split and what thread name to use - I guess we can be fairly liberal as far as thread content goes.
Some pictures from 1973:
IDF forces dug in, Sinai desert.
The rate of attrition was extremely high, Wikipedia attributes 400 israeli tanks as 'destroyed' (a further 600 as damaged) - considering the war lasted 2 weeks it shows the intensity of the fighting. The U.S. airlift of materiél, Nickel Grass, aimed at replacing the Israeli losses and giving them operational freedom.
IDF batteries laying down fire on Syrian positions (155mm), October 12.
This day in history:
The fall of Saigon 30th April 1975.
One historian likened the U.S. evacuation of the city (together with circa 130 000 south vietnamese) to the falldown of the Crusade states in Palestine 1291 where fortunes were paid for a place on the last galleys that sailed out of Acre. Choppers evacuated some 7 000 civilians to U.S. warships, and the last lift-off was conducted 04:58 30 Apri, onlyl hours before NVA tanks entered the city.
North vietnamese T-55 forces the gates of the presidental palace. The first tank to enter was no. 843.
, used their air force to disable enemy airfields in unison with their armoured divisions to push forward and capture large amounts of land with limited resistance. plus they fucked up the enemy air force so used theirs to support ground units.
IDF counted with a war sooner or later, from the end of 1965 IDF deliberately flew large squadrons over the mediterranean on a daily basis so as to blunt Egyptian radar operators. The initial units flew at sea level and weren't picked up by radar - they also timed it (9 o'clock) so as the fog just gave way and pilots were eating their breakfast. Intelligence also indicated that most high ranking officers would still be stuck in the morning traffic jams. The french-israeli Durendal bomb was used to crater runways. Over half of the Egyptian airforce was destroyed in just about three hours.
Eliminating the Egyptian airforce was fundamental to any war time undertakings, and went under the codename Moked, or Focus.
As for the Egyptian channel crossing in 1973, it is interesting to note that it bears every mark of a classical set piece soviet battle. Some 10 000 soviet instructors also worked with the Egyptians right up to the year or so before hostilities were initiated.
USSR also threatened the U.S. with escalation of the conflict if any U.S. support to Israel was to take place, the DEFCON level reached 2 (only time apart from the Cuban missile crisis afaik) in the U.S. Also the oil crisis of the 70's had its origin in this conflict.
I know, i just went on a tangent cos of celebration and beer
mIrc maybe split topic? We havent had a good history debate here since the molotov-ribentropp pact topic you made like 2 years ago
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