Lot of text about the lies of the government and news - nobody speak with you about this and everybody knows that they lie so your speech is totally pointless, and their lie even less then religion is, atleast they have a small amount of truth (3-5 soldiers instead of 50 - 8-10 % of truth, more then in religion anyway). How do you equalize even indirect facts with miracles and beliefs? So i can say that Greeks myths are also true?

There are a lot of stuff that cant be explained at this moment, for example creation of some Pyramids - people didnt have the technology to build this, there are a lot of facts that someone else build or helped us to build and still people accept this like a theory, because they arent 100 percent sure. Religion have 0 facts of the miracles and God existence - and somehow people think thats its not a theory but true. Even evolution from monkeys more believeble then religion theory of creating human kind, and about 2012 - there were a lot of same predictions before ... and all the time fail, always can happen some shit like aliens invade or huge flash on the sun and etc, your own beliefs arent bad if they help you to go through some hard moments, but religion is other story - unite and control thats the goal.

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How do you know God doesn't exist? Have you actually gone up there where more than half of the world's population think God exists and saw that nothing was there? Interesting, cuz not all people think the concept of God is dumb, and you sound like a lot of people who talk the same shit "believe in fairy tales...etc."

I know, because the existence of a god is impossible. I know, because there is absolutely no proof of the existence of a god. I know, because i know logic, and logic is not compatible with religion.

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No. I don't need you to tell me to read because I know when to read about whichever subject I want. And if you think I'm uneducated on these subjects, then why don't you read up on them and give me a brief summary, huh? You really make me piss myself laughing.

Later in the post you say you don't consider me a reliable source, so what would be the point? There are books, there are papers, there are videos. If you're interested in the subjects, educate yourself on them. If you don't want to, stop talking about things you understand only by the vaguest of definitions.

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(Beginning with "Also, if god existed..."
Oops, who's mad now? xD not wise talk, my friend. And you can never prove your point.

It's in the nickname. And i suppose not, at least not to you.

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Here, you're actually contradicting yourself. No comment.

Contradict how? By pointing out you ignore the point of my argument? Because the point was that law is law, and religion is religion. Divine punishment is a concept which one may, or may not believe. It's not a reliable or functional way to stop people from committing crime, in fact, no such way exists.

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I didn't say we were living in a fictional little Utopia. I was comparing the two communities, and if we exclude the uprisings and revolutions that happened in 2011-presnt, we will see that the estimates are rather lower than anywhere else in the world. I say we exclude the uprisings because these things happen anywhere in the world, and they don't necessarily happen because religion has bad influences. And the brilliant point here is that "the good book" did not say these things cannot happen. Maybe, again,you should go educate yourself.

And i was pointing out your comparison is wrong and biased. I used the book reference in the context of you saying it prohibits people from killing each other. Doesn't seem to work that well, does it? There's strife and shit everywhere in the world, but it would seem in your part of the world there's a tad more of it. And a lot of it is religiously fuelled (Israel/Palestina, to not look far).

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Dude, drunk husbands in Poland don't beat their wives? Don't talk to me about a problem in a society. This has nothing to do with religion. Religion tries to solve these problems, and people choose to follow its rules or not. I hate discrimination against women too, and that shit exists everywhere in the world. And btw, how do you assume people here beat their women heavily? Just cuz a certain paper or the media show one incident, suddenly everyone here is so keen on that shit? Why don't you come here and make a research, if you're all about facts and tangible evidences? And, all of a sudden, you're all about women's rights and fighting for them lol. From your looks, I don't think you care about women at all.

Drunk husbands do indeed beat their wives all over the world, the difference is that only in Islam the husband is legally allowed to do it. How can you glorify a society where that is possible? Discrimination and various human right impediments are a major concern of mine when it comes to Islam as a whole.

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I don't need to answer all your questions. I try my best to answer some of it. You should do the rest, go surf the net or do whatever you like. At least try to answer some of my questions too.

You're making claims. Back them up or stop making them.

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I know because you said in the previous post "But i can agree with one thing...." So, you quoted the parts you didn't agree with and then changed your mind and agreed with one of them? OK. Because you think it would result in stopping the killings that Muslims commit against people like you? LOL. Another misconception and false stereotype. I don't reject information. I <3 information, but from a valuable source, not from you. And I said you wouldn't change my mind because I have experience. I am not just some brainwashed kid

No, i meant out of the things i first quoted. Obviously. Yeah, you have experience, in being a bigoted, small-minded prick. Congratulations. You're exactly like you're trying to picture me - without actually knowing me.

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Anyway, I lowered myself to your level

Fuck you. Door is that way. --->

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and chose to continue this pathetic little charade because I think we could learn from each other (we're from different cultures). You get all your information from the media, and I am sure as hell you never read a valuable book about the Islamic culture or any other culture you might learn from, because your brain tells you these cultures are bollocks and inferior (a misconception).

Oh good, more assumptions. Yes, i do consider religion-based cultures to be inferior to ones that separate state from religion. Religion is supposed to be personal. If it grows enough to influence the state, as shown by historical evidence, it always comes down to diminished human rights, discrimination against minorities, discouragement of science, promotion of tyranny, stunted growth of self and subjugation of values contradictory to whatever religion might be in charge of said society. Not all non-religious cultures are better than religion based, but enough are to show that it's simply the way to go if we want to achieve true progress.

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I don't believe anything I read in the media because I know they manipulate things according to their needs. One example (you can choose to believe it, and you can choose not to.Not my problem): I have an Iraqi friend who lives here now. He went to Iraq in 2004 to visit some family there, and he was able to behold one of the combats that occurred between American soldiers and Iraqi noobs, ok? Iraqi noobs had weapons too, so, yeah they're people who don't give a shit with weapons. That day as much as 50 American soldiers died. When he watched the news on BBC or CNN or CBS news or whatever, they mentioned that only 3 American soldiers had died. Don't tell me this story is bollocks because I agreed with him because I used to watch news back then and the number of American soldiers that died every time was either 3,4,5... bla bla. So I decided not to watch the news at all, or read the paper, because it's all a waste of time.

Yeah, the media manipulate facts. What does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

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Let's discuss the uprisings in Arab countries that you're so fond of and bring examples from because you're so considerate. The UN decides to help the people of Libya because they're governed by a tyrant (Qaddafi)? Why don't the UN help the Syrians? They're governed by a tyrant as well. Hmmmmm..... UN: "there's oil in Libya Ok, we'll pretend that we're going to help them and steal as much oil as possible." UN: "Syria? LOL there are no natural resources in Syria, who gives a fock about them? Let them go to hell."

Yeah, sure. Of course they're going to favour a region with potential interest over a region to promises no returns for it. What, you think the world is run by a bunch of philanthropist? Get real, it's all shit.

Another point, why won't your peace loving, rich as holy fuck rulers not help the poor Syrians? Or other nations that are being ruled by tyrants in your region? Oh yeah, because they are those very same tyrants. Because the best you've come to anything resembling a rule of the people is a monarchy.

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So, your civilized law that you're so proud of is fake and inconsiderate and it might decide to fuck you up one day before you know it. All they care about is money. You're so proud that you have a privilege - freedom of speech? And you think there's no freedom of speech here because if anyone talks shit gets his head cut off which seems hilarious to me and makes me piss myself laughing. I talk about anything I want the way I want, and, abracadabra, I'm still alive and my head is still on Back where we begun; religion is better than atheism, because imo all the laws that exist in the world now are way more fucked up than a simple law that existed MILLENNIA ago

Wow, the biggest batch of crazy yet. Yeah, people everywhere in the world care mostly about money. Does that mean the laws here are fake? No, they are not. There are clear lines separating what i can, and what i cannot do, and if i cross those lines, i will get punished for it. Those laws are based on COMMON SENSE (mostly, at least), not the ramblings of some guy with a cool beard who lived forever ago. Hey, guess what, i can eat pork whenever i want. And my wife, if i had one, can dress how she wants, and do what she wants, and can be assured that there are measures she can take if i randomly decide to punch her in the face for no reason, because she is not inferior to me in the eyes of the law. I can open my window and shout "fuck the church" and a war will not start. And i don't have to fast every now and then because.... just because, i guess.

Laws that existed millennia ago, that's fascinating. Yeah we had all sorts of wonderful laws back then, like slavery. Or using homosexuals as kindling for criminals on pyres. Tyranny and oppression. Good times.

By the way, you seem very self-conscious about what people (me) think about you and your culture and religion. But you said you don't give a fuck. Well, don't. My opinion is my opinion. I don't see you as a worse person than myself, i'm not inherently prejudiced against any race or nation. I am prejudiced against people who want to control other people with their beliefs. That is all.

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The righteous path IS to do things only for YOURSELF. Not thinking about doing something for an entity or someone else OR doing it for this last option only if it does something for YOU.

I bet your single xD

To help others is humanity.. to be an selfish assh()le is something else ^^
If you will only start helping others after them helping you first is a little sad.. 1 should start the chain reaction and not only wait for it to be activated

The righteous path IS the path you choose for yourself.. and now close this damn topic cuz there is to much dogma activity here... its really annoying if someone else is trying to force her/his/its believes upon others... we are people with individuallity and a own brain.. ( not all are behaving like that ofc. but still )

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The righteous path IS to do things only for YOURSELF. Not thinking about doing something for an entity or someone else OR doing it for this last option only if it does something for YOU.

I bet your single xD

To help others is humanity.. to be an selfish assh()le is something else ^^
If you will only start helping others after them helping you first is a little sad.. 1 should start the chain reaction and not only wait for it to be activated

The righteous path IS the path you choose for yourself.. and now close this damn topic cuz there is to much dogma activity here... its really annoying if someone else is trying to force her/his/its believes upon others... we are people with individuallity and a own brain.. ( not all are behaving like that ofc. but still )

Man, you didn't understand which concept is the "invisible hand" at all because your answer is fucking trivial. Please be a bit wise and not the fucking nerd/hippy you always are.

Let's summarise the idea :
1-If a people always help another to do something, the last one will never learn to do something alone. Its a waste.
2-If a man think about himself, he want to earn something, whatever it is, so he will produce something or create something for him ("for him" doesn't mean for his use, it means here NOT FREE, because he will sell it or trade it to earn what he want).
3-He increases by the way the ouput value, the choice people have. SO if everyone is acting like this, everyone can have MORE CHOICE and MORE GOODS because other produce a higher output ; according to this, everyone can EARN BY THEMSELVES what they WANT, and DON'T NEED HELP NO MORE to do it.

This concept can be apply to all strafa of the society. DO you understand now?