As I told you that I had to cover some elements only for some privacy!

The reason why I covered those elements was because the story without them was sufficient for the reason I brought it here for which was (poor, rich) and for to explain that no matter how rich someone can be, we still all are poor weak humans! and good days, bad days will always come as we will always live them no matter how rich or poor we happen to be.......

But now after the story seemed to you as if it has something wrong making it not look so real or truthful which explains that you are somewhat a focused person which is something nice to find in you!! I will have to bring those elements back and give away some privacy so you can tell how truthful this story is and that I was not lying about it........

But before I start with the story I would like to speak about the other subject (water in my words) ........ in short (the concept of man issue)

In this world there are things which are universal! as we all are humans, we all use language to speak and comunicate (not all of us humans use heart to heart language or soul to soul but we all can though! as long as the individual is in good shape of what a human in normal well shape is meant to be like but of course such comunication has it's own certain status and moments of times) all humans eat! all need water...... all like their own interests! all hate and love..........etc

""Man""

Man's qualities are universal!

1 - Love

2 - Sacrifice

3 - Dignity

4 - Humbleness

5 - Patience

6 - Cooperation for good

7 - Honor

8 - Care

9 - Good well and Intention

10 - Sturdiness (spiritual sturdiness)

11 - Control over emotions and self control

12 - Tenderness and carings while dealing with the Woman!

13 - compassion......................etc

But if we say "Man" man could have none of what I mentioned above and none of the qualities a man should have to be called a man but still can be called a man since each male over 18 is to be called a man!! a man like "Human"

We call each grown up male "a man"

Grown up male "Man"

Grown up female "Woman"

Man and Woman from "Human"!!

But if we say "Man" only, it never indicates if this man is a good man or a bad man or a man with qualities of a real man!!

Some men could have some of the qualities of a real man, but not all of them..........

"Real Man"

(Real Man)

Now what the real man is, not what as you always been thinking of me refering to when I say "a man" or "a real man"

Each time I say "a man" or "a real man" you start thinking of me as if I was refering to a man who can punch like boxing and abuse and so.......... but that is not what I am refering to when I say "a man" or "a real man

In fact, men which always think of men as of those who can punch boxing and abuse people and make bad things are men which lack of being real men!!

And again to speak of "Real Man"

Real man is the man who has most of the qualities of a good man! those which I mentioned above and the rest of the good ones, if a man has them all that to be perfect, but no one is perfect! though, there are men which to be called real men! men with enough qualities that make them be called "real men"

"Real Man" is a good man, is a man with the good qualities..

No male no matter how old can be called a man unless carrying the qualities of a man! and here we go again, in some sentences I use man, but it refers to the "real man" since every male over 18 can be called man! but "man, no man" issue means a "real man" or not

There are no water in my words, your assumptions could be making them look like if there was,

With no offense really! as I don't blame your assumptions because not all people deal with words with the same levels of concentration, but try to be more careful with your assumptions regarding what you may find difficult to be understood!

Take none of what I say as offense since I never mean it! unless someone passes his/her limits with it so I just return it back a bit...... but in this case I am sharing knowledge and trying to teach you some good!!

Back to our stories

I mentioned in the story (old man and a young man)

I mentioned in the story that the young man was my friend............

For privacy issues I did hide that the old man was my friend too!

I did hide that the old man's family and people were involved in the story........

I did hide that I was the core element of the story.............

I did hide that I was a friend of the family........

I did hide who that old man is or who his people are......... but that is some privacy and will still be................

The stroy started with an old man who was my friend, old man from the united states........... who was interested in a young man to work with him!

Note:

I will still be unable to reveal everything only for some privacy and because most the people which were involved in this story were my friends, and being a friend to someone is more of a promise of trust "because once you call or consider someone as a friend meaning you trust that person and whatever you say or do in front of a friend to be considered saved as secret or as events only between friends" like if you or your friend made a promise for it even if you both didn't!!

The question is why he wanted this young man to work with him so badly..........!!

Well, the old man didn't just bump into that young man and said "oh I will give you a bugatti and countless amount of money but if you work with me" No!

It all came step by another, try by try by try by try by another..................

Offer by offer by offer by offer by offer by another.................................

The old rich man kept trying and making offers, keeping in mind that the old man started with a few......................... then kept increasing the offers only to get this young man here!

It started with a bank account and some money...........

Kept rising and rising and rising and rising and rising and rising and rising.............

The young man kept rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting and rejecting the offers....................

The old rich man kept getting shocked, shocked and shocked and shocked more each time the young man reject and refuse a greater offer...............

But the fact that the old man kept getting shocked each time the young man refuses an offer or give no damn around any threat was the fourth reason why the old man wanted him badly

We still have "third reason" why the old man wanted him badly and we still have "second reason" and "first reason" why the man wanted him that bad and tryed and tryed to convince him to work with him...........

The second reason requires hell of typing to explain! so please just disregard it

The third reason was for security issues.......... the old man didn't want to lose the young man because he knew alot about him!!

You by now could be thinking "but if the old man has so much leverage, power, people and money why don't he just get rid of the young man as it could be something very easy for him to do!!" but no!

The old man can't just get rid of the young man, for some different reasons while of the biggest reasons...........

1 - the young man was his friend too, the old man did make many threats and even sometimes tried to kill him unsuccessfuly in ways not to make it so obvious that someone did kill him......... but at most levels of pressure and anger while of course after he gets cooled down he always thought about how he was a friend and stopped thinking of killing him!

2 - (second) which is the biggest reason why the old man wanted the young one so badly, made all the offers he was able to make to gain him, and never really really killed him after all the rejects and refuses he made............ it was that the old man's daughter was in love with the young man!! and this young man we are speaking about here had some good enough qualities which would make the old man that interested in having his own daughter end up with marrying such man............... also the old man loved his own daughter too much!! so he won't risk letting her go to be with a man that has a total different way of dealing with life than he does..........

(killing people which seemingly happen to be not worthy to live life....... stealing....... being rich and give no damn around the poor people......... ruling the people, trying to rule the world and be always above the people.....etc) don't let me get started with that

The young man loved the old man's daughter, and he was ready to do all he was able to do for her, but what's possible of course, and not to do wrong! and not to do something bad while knowing it.............

The young man left at last and been through some threats of being killed..... left because the girl gave him enough reason to stop thinking about a future with her and had to let her go............

And if you would like me to tell you something fascinating about this story....... (it still for these days in a way going on)........................

If you have problems to believe how the old man could offer a bugatti and any other car which crosses this young man's mind and endless tickets of business class flights to anywhere in the world and countless amount of money (countless amount of money doesn't necessarly mean endless money but of course something over what someone poor (poor who finds problems trying to arrange for money to buy food!!) could ever dream to have....!! to a level which would seem to him as if they were endless money!!) if you find difficulties to believe it, then you need to know that there are some people on this planet which are very very very very rich when we care to speak of money! if you still can't understand that......... watch this video..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s&hd=1

First, there are two kinds of religious people (I mean by religious people here the people which carry on the religion and try to spread it on all over the world and try to preach it......)

Wrongful insincere unfaithful ones.......

Righteous ones!

Wrongful ones do preach it and interpret the scripture in ways of which fit for their own interests and own personal opinions and desire........... and I guess that you can imagine how many different opinions and different interests do exist on our earth if we speak about selfish people!!

Righteous ones are two kinds!!

* knowledgeable enough..........

* Some which lack for knowledge!!

The righteous knowledgeable ones do spread religion and the scripture of God exactly as it is, as also they never interpret it for their own interest because they have no reason for that, because if they are smart enough and they are smart enough.... they would know their interest is located right in the middle of spreading the religion in it's most righteous shapes!!

And good news are if you meet with them or one of them or get information by any source, you will know!! that is righteous that is as long as you are faithful to know the truth!! because the truth simply fits with mind and logic! your heart will be a guidance too...........!!

But of course both together! (mind and heart) since mind solo is like a machine while heart solo is like a blind censor!

One thing about Christianity: it is a human made title!! there is nothing called christianity in the religion of God (christianity) is named after the so called christ which in the opinion of the people that adopt that ideology is who will save humanity from God............ but honestly does that sound logic to you that someone who needed to eat food the whole age he lived on earth and food created by God really can save humanity from God really?

Second,

You can't, you as simple as this, you just can't write something and say it is from God and get away with it!! you can't make it look like if it was from God! you or me or anyone as human can't speak something which would sound like if it was from God! because it will simply speak for itself and tell people "I am from human and not from God" the truth is as strong as that!! but we just need to go for it and pay enough attention!!

Something you need to know about the bible is that it includes both (Words of God) And (Words writen by humans and been referred to as if they were from God)

The wonderful thing is that the words of God which are included in the bible are strong enough to indicate to us about the words which are human made and writen by humans minds!! besides that the words which are from humans speak for themselves too!!

As is in the Holy Quran, God says in many different areas of Quran that the bible has many modifications by humans, writen and brought only from humans but not from God!!

Watch this, a smart man who was a Christian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6IXayK0kzs

If you don't understand what he said, please let me know, I will try to write a script for what he was speaking about,

Anyways, in general, He was a Christian, then converted to Islam for that he found many misconceptions and false calls in the translations and interpretations made for the bible as he was able to find that the bible did point to the Islamic religion, he also found out after looking and looking for the truth that Islam was a total different religion than he used to know for the false news and given ideas he used to get regarding it........

God is so clear about equal rights and justice!! that is what religion is brought down for in the first place!

God is also so clear about whom He loves and whom He hates!!

Allah doesn't love everyone! but loves the faithful, truthful, honest good people! which love Him too and do good for the sake of Him!

Allah hates the evil bad unfaithful untruthful those which are not honest people and only ruining the world........

To speak of whom are the ones which God loves and whom which God hates with details is a very very big subject to speak of......

But of course He calls for justice and gives chances to everyone to choose from right and wrong, but certainly doesn't love everyone! He shows us the righteous path and the wrongful one and makes us choose................

Those which choose righteousness, God loves them very much! but those which choose bad and wrong and evil God only hates them!

God loves the ones which repent sincerely too if they happen to commit wrong!!

Thank you very much loxotron for your questions and for your thoughts! you been so kind! thank you for reading and thank you for your patience.......

If there is anything in mind you would like to discuss with me, if you have any questions, or any thoughts regarding our topic here please do not hesitate! you are so welcomed!

Thank you!

You can't keep a secret do you fala?

Call the police? o.O

that would be your wish!! because police would need at least an hour to arrive to the area..... and you know it!

But you have no idea how it could ruin some normal kids life and live all along with a bad memory and helpless tries to forget or so.......... that is of course if not taking it all out on the world and try to revenge from everyone who has got something to do with it and who has got nothing to do with it too........................

But I wouldn't be put through some test and watch some kids life being ruined while know it and not do something about it, besides I was trying to give some example around how would a kill be righteous or not................ we were supposdly assuming!! ((example)) and should be taken as it is, not as what fits with your own mind about it, because it is some assumption!!

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I am of the oldest E+ players, and I was at the beginning of it's establishment, but stayed for few weeks then left for life issues........... then came back years after........... and I am not here to make fun of you people!

I am speaking with sense and scinence, mind and logic!

All I say is simple and clear, as long as people do not make false assumptions around it while for emotional reasons of course.........!!

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Thank you for your thoughts spraw, but does it make sense to you that the creators are living in some created environment by some more superiors really?

Does it make sense to you that there is nothing and no superior power at the outer of what we are at no reach of while there are creators living right near us in the inner space really?

Please reconsider!

Thank you!

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You are so smart to know that the creator wouldn't reveal Himself to the very limited minded ignorant human!! but how come you hardly finding it carrying some logic that God who created this world is not doing so.........??!!

For the record, it is mentioned in the scripture!! as God said "I wouldn't reveal myself to the ignorants!!"

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How philosopher you really are APOLLO!!

You have a prospective around religion and I have another!

I don't think you know as much as I do about religion!! and my prospective is that there is only one religion on earth!! but certainly many interpretations.............

You are an old man! but do you know how once someone start spreading dirty words, how that person would look like to the crowds?

No?

Just like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSZgkFtV-Ao

You know what APOLLO? it is too sad that a young man my age would have to teach an old man your age that dirty words are not good nor something nice to do...........

You seem to be so eager toward being a good person and a kind one to the others as you are giving it as an advice in your post!! but would you just give it as an advice while not going by it yourself??

That is too sad, because it all explain to me why those young fellows all around the world are hardly able to make one bloody single comment without dirty words.......... it speaks for itself around whom are the people which raised them.................!!

If you really are so eager to be kind and nice and care for the interest of the community which is something right you said by the way!! but why don't you be kind enough not to speak with dirty abuses here and why don't you put into consideration the religious peoples opinion? you said we all around the world have to be kind and nice to each other and it should be "that is true!!" but you can't do it yourself?

Or maybe some people don't deserve it or just are less level than you think you are just because they have some beliefs??

And what if they are the bad ones, why don't you be the good and tend to fix that with at least being kind and speak kindly!!

Last............. did you buy your PC yet?

I know how much you are willing to pay or already paid for it.......................

But don't you know that the amount of money you are willing to pay for the new PC you want to buy is enough to take care of the expenses for one whole family consisted of parents and kids which go to school for more than a year??!! that amount of money could take care of their expenses of all the aspects of their life for not only a year but a year and a half too...........

So instead of wasting your time trying to spread some only dirty words at topics which have no place for and in most need for kindness, politeness and respect to be discussed properly, why don't you try to be the kind man and teach the young fellows something good or at least try to change with the people which are trying for a better world, and less hunger!!

I wouldn't feel so bad to watch a young fellow bringing some trash out of his mouth, but with an old man as old as you............... it is damn sad................

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You know mircwar? I always wondered "why world war 3 is not fired up till now yet????" but then said to myself "probably someone there like superman or spiderman saving the world by stopping it each time it is about to spark........."

Wow ................... I am impressed really!!

Congrates mirco............ cheers, you are saving the world!! thank you!!

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At least the dumb man in that joke kept insisting on his opinion while asking the donkey to admit he if it was a deer.... but his dumbness was in a way limited!!

You just don't know what is it you want, but maybe obsessed with some hero you watched in a movie or something and wish to look like in way or another...............

((welcome to freedom of speech and the western world))?? ??

Listen kid, don't take this with hard feelings or with offense! I am only trying to teach you something new..........

Would you go tell your mama that she is an asshat?? would you go tell her she is a zealot anytime she tries to teach you something or at least only discuss some issue with you?? would you tell her that she is a fanatic each time she thinks you are wrong about something or not that, but just because she thinks she is right about something??

You wouldn't right?!

I don't think anyone would unless damaged-minded person!

Your mama is your mama, you have her as a mama! you own her!! she owns you as a son too!! the same with your papa, the same with your brothers and sisters........ the same with your girlfriend and so........ those I just mentioned are people which you own and that they own you!!

How would you call that a freedom of speech once you can't say the things you just say here to the people which belong to you, saying them to the people which do not?? !!

You can play quake, means you are grown up enough, and you have to know all that..........

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@ you are at the wrong territory!! because if you ever knew who argumentbringer ( ) is, you wouldn't go through any kind of argument with..........

And example: I started this topic and was speaking to her like " please baby please, we need to make this discussion in a fashionable elegant way.............. no dirty words, no offenses and so on......... alright baby?"

but she simply couldn't take it and catch her own and started to make not proper comments......

So I was trying with her again and again and again just to help her get over her emotions and do better with the discussion and how we should speak to people...........

But all went unsuccessfully............ all my tries and all my nice and sweet words to her went for nothing..............

What was sad was that I was about to lose her

I saw it coming...........

I knew she was about to lose her temper

And I was like "NNNoooooooooooo NNNNoooooooooooo baby NNNNooooooooooo don't go and hold on, you can do it you can do it, PPPPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAS baby hold yourself some pressure...................."

But then it happened...................

She abandoned the thread and said something while jumping into the water

She probably said that the thread was abandonded!!

Now you can understand how much off your territory you really are James and you understand what she means to me........... alright??

You better not do it again and dare to argue with her, this time I'll let it slip..........

What was sad and more sad that after she left me, she only started to appear from time to another and only abuse me

What do I have to do

I just did sing her a song, hoping she would be alright and eventually get over her madness with me..............

And regarding this

Please James excuse us please, she didn't mean it, but she is just being damn angry and jealous cause argumentbringer seems to be coming back to me..............

She's been acting crazily even before that for some other issues so please excuse us we don't mean it!!

Thank you James for your nice posts!

I will be back with some comments regarding them hopefully soon!

Thank you very much!!

And you ( ) you did pass your limits really!!

You are following me all around, annoying the respectful people which speak and deal with me and obviously taking your pressure and anger caused by your jealousy of argumentbringer and the fact she is more near to me than you at everyone............

Don't say I didn't warn you woman, because I did.............

Sadly............... but out of my head out of my mind...........it's over............ go find someone else and please just leave me alone................!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e45_mLYUcjU