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this is a bit of a random bitch and moan topic, not bothered as i adjusted to it already.
So long story short, i had some usb issues with another device (xbone controllers micro usb kept disconnecting) and my mouse stopped working, it was bricked. after reflashing the firmware i got it to work again, except it refused to work with the old driver i had installed. so im forced to use the new cloud synapse driver.

i notice they removed the sensitivity control, now you have 1 option and thats DPI

before

after

ok, so with ms sensitivity on 6, and no way to change sens in the driver, i have to lower the dpi to make it useable. This also means redoing my q3 cfg so the sens is near to what it was before.. what a pita

but i wonder why they removed it, and is this a blessing in disguise, was i actually getting that 1800dpi before? i guess not. was that sens setting screwing it up (for everyone!)? cant seem to find any sites talking about this.

anyway, i made a few new cfgs to try some different settings, yaw and pitch to 0.011 or 0.006 and dpi to 1800 only when i go to play q3, even on ingame sens 1 its still really high, but i'm performing better than before now.

so what are your thoughts on this setting thats now removed. was it a bad idea to begin with?

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Why do you have to lower the DPI to make it "usable"? For sensitivity in Windows? Otherwise I guess you can just adapt your in game sens. I personally don't use any Razer software, it adds all kinds of filters which I dislike. I suspect Synapse is super annoying too. I'm not sure which DA version you have but earlier ones had issues with negative accel on lower DPI and worked best in native (highest) mode.

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its the first gen 3g, 1800 model. by usable i mean its way too sensitive unless i lower it. even on 1300 i move the mouse ~3cm and its the other side of the screen. yes, adapting ingame sens was unavoidable, not what i wanted when i was just trying to fix it, but better in the end if im no longer using 'bad' settings.

i did manage find something on this topic after posting this actually:
http://www.urbanterror.info/forums/topic/19939-razer-deathadder-3500-dpi-on-the-fly-sensitivity/

an urbanterror (quake mod) forum nontheless, nerds Big grin they say about it causing interpolations, which makes sense. wish i'd understood this 5 years ago.
i think i remember skull saying he used this mouse with max dpi and sens, on a crt? for someone i believe had a low sensitivity, it never made sense to me how he controlled windows with it this high.

i put off installing the cloud based crap for years, but i have no option now. i see alot of people dis-like the drivers and remove them, but i dont have such issues. just wondered why they removed functionality.

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Isn't sensitivity at mouse control is same as windows? I had razer in the past but never had this option to control.

Edit: I doubt something wrong with the brain of razer company policy makers, cause of course it sucks to have less options to control yea! and I noticed that with recent and by more recent drivers they publish, most ridiculous is when switched from regular drivers to this synapse thing.


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what about to download older firmware and install older driver? BTW i thought my razer deathadder 1800 (second generation of DA) died (side buttons were randomly active). After some time i connected my old DA to the notebook for customers @ job. I didnt install any driver and it works without any problem.

My recommendation: "never update firmware on any gaming device". It causes problems

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CZE|BEAZT wrote:

what about to download older firmware and install older driver? BTW i thought my razer deathadder 1800 (second generation of DA) died (side buttons were randomly active). After some time i connected my old DA to the notebook for customers @ job. I didnt install any driver and it works without any problem.

My recommendation: "never update firmware on any gaming device". It causes problems

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@gmz the drivers and their options are different depending which mouse you have. i have a mamba with legacy drivers on another machine and it looks verry different.

The mouse broke when another usb device was constantly connecting/disconnecting due to a bad cable, suddenly the light on the mouse went out and no movement - unplugged it and plugged back in and still no power to the mouse.
I uninstalled the driver (I still had the same exe to re-install it afterwards), widows detected a new device and installed a random driver unrelated to the mouse. Perhaps the firmware had become corrupt. re-flashing it allowed windows to detect and install the correct driver again. (maybe I'm remembering this wrong, it was a few months ago and late at night, I found a forum with some very specific instructions to resolve this)

I don't have any older versions of the driver or firmware, just the latest legacy driver from their site. They install fine and it appears to work, but every 10 seconds it would stop responding for a second and if u watch the pulse led it would also cut out for a split second. I think it's a combination of more recent firmware and legacy driver. not sure, too much hassle to worry about. Synapse driver works flawlessly with it, so I suck it up and adapt to it.

I can now see it a gd thing they removed that option, it should never have been there in the first place really. Now users get the sensitivity they set from Windows and the dpi chosen in the driver without the added complexity of an aditional sensitity option that causes interpolation and ultimately screws up precision. Conflicts with your dpi setting I assume.

So here are some scenarios:
Windows sens always 6 for known reasons.

-If using legacy driver and 1800 model, max sens in driver, and dpi of your choice
(bear in mind the possible negative accel at less than 1800 - mirc mentioned)

-If using synapse, you're forced to use max sens anyway. Select comfortable dpi for windows, and change it when gaming.

If you can use no razer driver at all and its comfortable - thumbs up, you're gd to go.

At least I learnt something from the rant. This all happened months ago so I already got used to it, but changing dpi just when launching q3 sucks a bit.
i still feel like im doing something stupid with the dpi, oh well.

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Not sure if uare using this http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html , but i do and it helped me since i had DA 3g old version 1800 dpi, i have it set to 450 dpi, win sens 6, mouse acceleration fix, sens 1 in game and then yaw and pitch acording to my preferences (35cm for 360º)


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Yes im using that too, thanks Gd link worth trying if anyone hasn't heard of it. Includes an undo option aswell.

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I usually had to install driver to set up a set of DPI then uninstall the driver again to avoid it's negativity, I had a double click issue, now I fixed as it was a broken plastic at the button, but am having terrible experience with negative accel and some other weird stuff going on with mouse, also yes, as I enter quake and switch DPI I have to wait a while till the mouse become stable.. sometimes more than a map or two.
now I am back to wmo 1.1A and I think it is of the best choices cause all I have to do is hock it up and then good to go..!

I never missed around with pitch yaw sens etc, just never had mind enough for them, but do they really help? what the use of them? can one form an explanation with few words why the there is a need to adjust them?

And thanks Darky, I heard about that MarkC once but forgot the name, maybe I should try it and see if my Imperator would work fine again.


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Logitech rox guys. only once you install drivers, save settings into onboard memory in the mouse and you dont need ever install or change settings again. windows 7? 8? 10? install whatever you want, your mouse settings is still the same! even without any drivers!

I had two razer mice. Diamondback magma and 2nd generation of DeathAdder. When i reinstalled OS, i had to install driver, load mouse config and then i could play. Now i just reinstall and play. how easy... no setup, no driver, no shit. remember about it

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