I just want to clarify that my post is not about [mr.] as a clan, but specific people who happen to be in that clan.

In a clanwar I would never complain about spawncampers. In fact, if a clan used this spawntactic against us I would think "damn thats clever". In FFA its a different matter. Just like camping, while it is frowned upon in FFA its a necessity in a clanwar. You find a good tactical spot and you try to keep it, always been done this way and always will. In what way is this different than keeping a strategic position on a TDM map? We choose a smaller map and position our players on the most strategic places on that map? Its TEAM DEATHMATCH, its a war, camping is allowed and necessary to win a war.. I never complain about camping in a CW and any tactic that makes you win a map that is not cheating or exploiting just go for it, use some imagination and think outside the freaken box.

Oh, and trust a team that has tried this. It DOES require teamwork and a LOT of discipline to get away with this tactic, after 90 secs the tactic is pretty much understood by opponents. Every single one in the team need to trust that his teammates is keeping his back clear because he has to focus on a certain area and against a strong team this mapchoice can quickly come back and bite you in the ass..

Let me explain why I think this is a tactic, not just spawncamping.

This is E+. Everyone has all weapons and everyone has good health and armor on spawn, health and weapon positions are not necessary to build your tactics. In traditional quake you would position campers near Red armor, RL, railgun and other tactical spots, but this is unnessary in E+ because noone wants/needs the damned Red Armor anyway and everyone already got the railgun. All in all if you dont think outside the box E+ TDM would be just FFA with teams. Sure you can find a place that is the best to defend, but if you want to be just a wee bit more creative than that? The rules say that most frags in a war gives as many points as winning a map. We want to win maps, and we want to get most total points. If we cant win all maps we atleast wanna get that point for most frags, so we choose a map that gives many frags, quite clever imho And GenX want mapwins to give more points than top frags but as long as rules are the way they are we will choose the tactic that suits the rules best.

We are offensive players, we dont want to sit waiting for players to find us or running around randomly, we want to actually have a plan in what we do and we want this plan to be more thought through and effective than simply "This place is easy to defend, lets stand here".

Can't people just see it as it is , a clever way to play a map and a clever choice of maps (thanks Harding ? Quite frankly I think that if any other clan than GenX had done this it would have been seen that way, especially if GenX was beaten by this tactic, but for some reason I seriously dont know some people have a prob with GenX. Sure we are opinionated but we dont cheat, we play fair and we do what we can do help this community grow. Where are the posts about BRO5 and WASP choosing q3dm17? Nothing until GenX played q3dm3.

And there *has* been voices that want to change the rules to exclude q3dm3 after our first war against BRO. Never found out who wanted this change though.

Also, I never said No complained when he asked why non TDM maps could be chosen. I understand why it would seem that way because of how my post was written but the complain part was about something else.

Someone told me, on msn so wont say who, that there had been "complains" about our choice of maps, and that ppl wanted to "forbid that map", that is what I referred to in my complain post on the league shoutbox, maybe I should have been more clear.

When No first says loosers and I say "thanks for the looser comment" he answers "spawnfragging, need I say more" I take it as he calls us loosers.

AND, I seriously had no idea that there were "TDM Maps" until Don Pedro explained it to me. Fine, if there are TDM maps and if you want to change the rules that is ok with me.

God I need to learn to write shorter posts.. Lastly I wanna say that I don't mind people don't liking our choice of maps, what I am angry about is that there has been complains, people want to change the rules (because it is GenX choosing these maps) and people calling us names (again).