Soccer financial Fair Play

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14. January 2011 - 14:01
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I really can’t w8 till this financial fair play will start, i am really curios what will happen with manu, mc, real, barca, Liverpool, inter, milan etc, when they are not allowed anymore to spend more money as they earn. Since this basic rule is pretty normal in Bundesliga and in the Ligue 1 I expect a lot success by French and German teams starting with 2015/2016.

I am really curios how the real big clubs in Spain, England and Italy will handle this rule, and how it will really affects them, since the club”owners” are not allowed to invest more than 15 million euro into their teams per year anymore.

France and Germany have currently the best work with young talents which is already a huge advantage regarding this rule.

What is this financial fairplay actually, here something to read:
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/s/1404986_uefa_warning_ahead_of_financial_fair_play_rules

What do you expect? Do u also expect countries like Germany and France becoming dominating again? Do u also belief the prices for good players will decrease?

However, I will like this rule, since it will create more equal chances for all European countries.

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14. January 2011 - 14:19
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Hopefully it will signal an upswing for the Bundesliga (which for some reason remains grossly underestimated, Eurosport 2 coverage has brought it more attention recently), the English teams will have no choice but to try to compete on German terms - i.e. maximizing commercial revenue and evening out the revenue. Even a financially sound club like Arsenal is light years behind a club like Bayern in this regard.

The question is what scope for improvement the German clubs have if other clubs start catching up, raising ticket prices seems out of the question so a better overseas TV deal seems crucial.

See the Swiss ramble for an economic perspective on football:

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/

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14. January 2011 - 14:30
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The question is what scope for improvement the German clubs have if other clubs start catching up, raising ticket prices seems out of the question so a better overseas TV deal seems crucial.

Earning more money due TV-Deals in germany i pretty hard. The turnover due TV-Deals in England are somehow a few times higher than in germany. But what i see is, we are kinda 10 years in advance in working with young talents, and the the league and the german clubs will not stop improving it since the disaster of the year in 1998 and 2000. If i look on the talents, U17, U19 and U21 and the plans to even improve this work in future by clubs and league-organisations i guess England will be behind in this area for probably 10 years at least.

Now it is:
1. Spain
2. England
3. Germany (3rd. beginning with next saison)
4. Italy (4th after this season)
5. France

In a few years i expect:
Spain fights with Germany for 1st place (clubsoccer of course)
3. France
Italy fights with russia for the 4th place

Call me dreamer, but thats what i expect Big grin

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14. January 2011 - 15:47
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Aww damn Platini and Blatter - aka the anti english brigade.

Nah it was about time a financial cap was introduced. Some of the wages Man City players are getting paid are beyond belief. However, this year has seen a dramatic drop in spending (exp ManCity) which has lead to a more competitive league, more so for what the Bundesliga can say. As rightly said dominance is likely to take a swing, but don't expect english football to be flushed out by it's european neighbours any time soon. Tongue

Hell, these mutli-million pound investers will probably make build there own football association and make a break-away league, as commented in the article. Football then becomes a full-time business, not a sport.

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14. January 2011 - 16:11
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Ofc, i don't expect england flushed away. just regarding the talent-work england will get hard times.

If you look on Bundeliga the last 2-3 years, or especially this year, please have a look how many players of each team are from own youth or below 23 years Happy and are already firmly established in their teams. Just Arenal or maybe Barca can be compared with this standard.

Dortumd (currently leading with 14 points in front of Bayern):
Subotic 22, Hummels 22, Sahin 22, Bender 21, Kagawa 21, Götze 18

Mainz, (the very surprising 2nd, 10 points behind Dortmund):
Polanski 24, Holtby 20, Risse 21, Allagui 24, Schürrle 20,

Leverkusen (Currently 3rd, 10 points behind Dormund):
Adler 25, Schwaab 22, Reinartz 22, Vidal 23, Castro 23, Barnetta 25, Bender 21, Augusto 22, Sam 22, Kaplan 20, Derdiyok 22

Bayern 5th (i dropped the 4th Hannover), Bayern will become just 2nd this season:
Kraft 22, Breno 21, Contento 20, Badstuber 21, Müller 21, Gustavo 23, Kroos 21, Gomez 25

What i try to say is, German teams are full of young and established players from own youth or youth of the other clubs which means GER does invest alot into training of young talents, instead of buying alot of topstars (exception bayern with ribery, robben, gomez). And in england i see this only (more or less) at aresenal, in spain just with barca (successfull i mean) and italy i dont know enough to judge.

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14. January 2011 - 19:21
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holland ! has a shit competition Tongue

i hope psv or ajax will rise again, but i doubt it Tongue

hope to see some great matches in the future between great clups with fair squads

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14. January 2011 - 23:58
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all I can say - Han it's ridiculous already to see every time how U connect WC 2018 in Russia and anti-England shit. I don't talk that we won honestly but U also has some shit behind so calm down

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15. January 2011 - 0:17
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nothing against 2018, but 2022, god, but thats not the topic Big grin

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15. January 2011 - 1:41
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hazo wrote:

all I can say - Han it's ridiculous already to see every time how U connect WC 2018 in Russia and anti-England shit. I don't talk that we won honestly but U also has some shit behind so calm down

Wut I made no mention to the world cup in this thread. It was a comment about Platini and Blatter in general. Btw, how about we make this thread for general football discussions (maybe mods rename it.. "The football lounge" or whatever.)

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16. January 2011 - 14:02
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anyway Mow there is always some another problem behind. in Germany also there is financial shit called Bayern which buy best players of their main opponents. and in rest world I think just prices on players will go down, cause young talents anyway prefer to play in MU or Barca than in Wolfsburg or PSG (ofc if they aren't patriots till they die), so we just will have more real transfers sums and salaries. although it's good thing imho cause ppl like to become morons when they have too much money

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16. January 2011 - 14:14
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I think you're kinda missing the point of this whole thing. It's not supposed to make big clubs unable to siphon off players, it's so they can do this without exaggerating the market prices, so lower tier teams can compete in transfer battles.

Hell, it will even help some of the bigger, but healthy from an economic pov, clubs. It will promote the usage of youth academy products, and enforce investment in that area, so young talents will have more chances in the first team, instead of being relegated to loans to second division sides in order to gain experience, and kill their development in the process.

I'm not a big fan of Platini, but this is certainly a good thing for football. Bundesliga is already pulling ahead of the crippled Serie A (and rightfully so), and if something won't drastically change in the Premiership, it's only a matter of time before it slums down the pecking order. You don't need to be a genius to notice that the leagues with inefficient economical models are struggling even now - it's only a matter of time before the spiral of debt consumes the leagues that don't follow the German example. The critical mass has been reached when Perez threw hundred thousand mil at MU for Cristiano, the only reason it didn't go further was the financial crisis that struck at the heart of this insane market price hyperbole.

So yeah, i'm looking forward to see how this will pan out over the next 5-10 years. I'm fairly sure a major shift in power is right around the corner, and long overdue.

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