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Torz, you should play him with timelimit though. 15 fraglimit isn't the BEST sample (even though i agree it's a cheat).

I know and I agree, but servers were quite limited as he wanted to play on his .cfg and also "couldn't connect at all" to f.e 2!s duelservers. Also, he wanted fraglimit. So yeah, I know, just wasn't possible and luckily this was enough.

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Arrow What I will write here most of people will piss on me Winking So, lets precede, later you can piss on me. Happy

Here comes the piss! No seriously hehe, I understand and it's just a shame that sometimes "the devil's advocates" are some one you don't want to argue with, I don't want to argue with you but in this case it's just neccessary.

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Where you see on demos that he use cheat, I don't see it.... Yea he have shaking hands, so I have to... true is that I haven't 80% accuracy...

Uhm, all three demos are full of it ^^ It's just a matter of knowing what to look for and no disrespect but if you don't see it, then it's just because you don't know. If you knew you should see it like most people commenting so far do.

I don't think he has particularly shaky hands, but get almost anyone to play with that sensitivity and it will give you an epileptic attack. Still with this, he pulls his accuracies regardless of map, opponent, difficulty of shots and does so consistently... You don't pull 80% accuracy? No. Neither does anyone else in this mod against me or better players, except with extreme lame playing, camping and taking easy shots. Even then they won't do it several maps in a row, let alone on every screenshot seen whatsoever. And again, this guy has horrible aim, bad moves and poor game understanding. Hey, he doesn't even know how to open the gates on DM7 after 3 years of Q3 and 4 months in EX+ (also, he was the one picking DM7). Yeah... no.

He could be earning some heavy cash if he went professional in another game considering he hits a lot better than the people who played Q3 since 1999 (and probably other Quakes before that) and train many hours per day and travel the world competing in it ^^

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True evidence for me is that they play on PB and pure server with this rail accuracy and he will be busted by PB or Q3 server. Or playing on PB and pure with that rail accuracy and PB and q3 server don't catch him, meaning two things = PB server not trimmed well Winking Or he use new cheat don't known to PB server.... ble, ble...

Then I am afraid I can honestly become so good that in one week from now SWE will never again lose a game and not just beat but humiliate even Lemon and KO. On PB + Pure servers yes.

PB is good, but it's only a base. It's keeping most of the "newbie cheaters" (people who just want to "try" or aren't clever enough/want to make the effort to find undetected cheats) away, but there are and has always been several undetected cheats out. Currently, for SoF2 there are kinds of cheats that aren't detected and won't even be in a long while because of how they are made (f.e streaming from the internet directly; you don't even have to have a cheat installed etc).

Cheaters make cheats, then PB stops them, always one step behind. Nothing to go paranoid over, but a truth for everyone to be aware of is that PB not kicking does not clear a dodgy player; if he is performing magic ingame you have to step in yourself.

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So, it is not DARK AGES where doctor use spoon to see your troth and tell I think that it is bacterial infection... We today use numbers, take blood sample and see numbers of leukocytes....

Still today, just as always, people look at the sun and say "Ah, it's so warm and shiney." And the proof is right up there. But nobody can prove this to some one who can't or doesn't want to see it...

Also when I cut my finger on a paper or something, I know no numbers or technicalities and there's no alarm ringing anywhere but I know and see that it's bleeding, that it's not an overly good thing, and that putting a plaster on it solves my crisis. Maybe I'm just a barbarian from the north. : )

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What we have to do IMO is bring him on relayable server with excellent PB settings and test him.

In advance - please! Forgive me! But I have to say it : D ULTRA-NAIVE. If we could "just do that"... Whoa, how easy things would be : ) But there's no such thing as a server with "excellent PB settings". If he has got an undetected cheat he has, and if he is not completely stupid (as he does not appear on his forum posts) he will not get caught by even extensive cvar checks.

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If he have same rail accuracy and PB don't caught him then that can mean two things. He play with no cheat. Or he play with cheat currently undetectable = new cheat.

So... What was the point of "testing" him then? : x

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He is innocent until will be proved guilty with PB. If he is really cheater soon or later will be caughted.... it is only matter of time...

Again, setting a rock-hard rule like that is digging our own grave. Because no, it is not always a matter of time and sometimes that time is just too much.

[rediculous extreme comparison]
"Hey, let that criminal be. He will die of old age sooner or later."
[/rediculous extreme comparison]

Cheats are detected mainly by them eventually being sent in to the PB crew so they can see what the cheat is doing and how it is doing it to counter it, and other times by just detecting "general stuff" (in lack of better terms) that some cheats happen to use.

Problem is that with a private cheat that is bought and the seller is honest enough to not sell/give it to anyone else, or even a cheat the cheater made himself, this will never end up in the PB crews hands. And if the cheat was well made, not using any easy/common general ways to hook/load/inject/whatever... We're not going to see a lot of PB kicking. But we are going to see people like this guy hitting stuff no professional gamer does, while he can't even play properly.

So... I'm at work now, shall I commence running around screaming "LOL! LOL!"? : D 'cause that autofire is the sun and I'm standing outside mid-day staring straight up getting my eyes burnt out.

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Arrow HAHAHAHA Laughing To all people who post it in between my post and here Laughing I don't disagree with you in core thinking about that guy, main difference is that you are 100% sure that he cheat. I am not. And I am not noob in gaming, I play games 30 bloody years Big grin I am also syseng, systems programmer, db guy, ble, ble.... So, I know all about how q3 works even more, PB to...

My point is that you are 100% sure that he cheat, I am not. Because no solid proves. You can have theoretically bad mover player and excellent railer, nothing new... He is probably cheater all evidences say so, but that is not enough for final judge, that is all.

What will be in future: "I am thinking that XY guy cheat". "Ok, lets see demo." "Ye, he cheat IMO...." "I am not sure..." "Lets ban him and we will be sure."... Got point ?
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What, like with panic? Winking

Getting off topic but yeah I'll start screaming "LOL! LOL!" now then because as you completely correctly say; we are 100% sure.

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What, like with panic? Winking

Getting off topic but yeah I'll start screaming "LOL! LOL!" now then because as you completely correctly say; we are 100% sure.


Arrow I was witness of communist regime and I was witness of witch hunting ... I am afraid of that present or future scenario...
Think about it.

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Rena u might have your doubts about autoshoot, ok but the wallhacking is pretty obvious. Watch the demos again using r_shownormals 1.

Still those demos were recorded on a server where pure and PB were not enabled (i thought they were enabled in my previous post). Maybe he should be tested on a pb+pure serv aswell, and see if his usual stats drastically go down. But i doubt he will even come back around here.

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RENA * BBSQUAD wrote:

Arrow HAHAHAHA Laughing To all people who post it in between my post and here Laughing I don't disagree with you in core thinking about that guy, main difference is that you are 100% sure that he cheat. I am not. And I am not noob in gaming, I play games 30 bloody years Big grin I am also syseng, systems programmer, db guy, ble, ble.... So, I know all about how q3 works even more, PB to...

there are proofs!
why?
cuz proof is more then just pb kick.
proof can be:
demo of cheating
insane screenshot
pb kick

if u have a proof also the player matter.
if the player is new, even out of other communitys, u can look up if he played there.
if u cant find anything and he rocks to much cheater Smug
also u can see how players get used to e+ week on week.
demos and screen clearly show a proof here.

btw it would be nice if faithless tell us with cheatz he finally got with commands and files

hurrenson: "This idiot is apparently not familiar with a rail/sniper style."

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Arrow I was witness of communist regime and I was witness of witch hunting ... I am afraid of that present or future scenario...
Think about it.

Irrelevant and very different. That, aswell as everything like it back to witch hunting with floating tests and bonfires had dodgy motives. There is no underlying problem here; we see a cheater and that's it. I and everybody else hardly even gain anything from having this guy banned even when it's a legit ban. I again refer to my exaggerated comparisons; based on something actually being there (as it is, it is in the demo and anyone can watch it over and over). Witch hunting was lunacy. They had no demos of the "witches" doing anything. Happy

Also, we are not stupid. No, you haven't said it, but you imply knowing more with the age-thing. While probably true in general, most of that has nothing to do with this.

Please, don't do this Confused Do you really, really, really think there is a chance this guy is clean? Everything presented...
Think about it. Tongue

Blah well, I guess most people have their opinion anyway and can choose to play against this guy or not.

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'sup with all the KO's adding my MSN today, getting scary xD And nobody saying anything, feels like being surrounded by a bunch of hard gangsters with their arms crossed Big grin

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'sup with all the KO's adding my MSN today, getting scary xD And nobody saying anything, feels like being surrounded by a bunch of hard gangsters with their arms crossed Big grin

Bwhahahahahah*cough*hahah Big grin

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'sup with all the KO's adding my MSN today, getting scary xD And nobody saying anything, feels like being surrounded by a bunch of hard gangsters with their arms crossed Big grin

U r inteligent person so u understand our warning ;]

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