bad draw. khaz vs voltaire 1st round? jado khaz voltaire same bracket? good thing theres a loser bracket.

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but I can say one thing, poor echo

f1, well said khaz, and just yesterday we laughed with jado about such situation in 1st round ehehe. whatever, good luck and have fun

Bah, I still think 3 groups would have been more exciting than double elimination. There are 13 sign ups. CPM regularly plays daily tournaments with 16-30 people, FACE IT ql duel around 60 onwards every time, people here cant play a 13 player cup in a month?

I say: make it 3 groups (2x4 and 1x5) and make everyone play everyone else. Top2 automatically qualify, and the top3 places will have to be ranked by game wins, map wins and frag k:D ratio because there are 3 of them and there are only 2 slots remaining (basically, universal competitive sporting rules. That way there's a build up to the final tourney (which should be single elimination 1/4 because after groups and is actually very simple to seed, as you know who finished in what place, brackets will be easy to put in.

About deadlines: for groups dont make them at all or make them very short, because a whole week is ridiculous. It takes 50 minutes to play the whole game of a best of 3 with timelimit 10, including smoke breaks after every map, and a double timeout when one of the duellers spills shit on the keyboard =]

And in a group setting, there is no need to apply time limitations: groups reward pro-activity so the people who arrange and play all their games have a chance of finishing higher up (look at that 2011 plus duel cup... a few people had minimal (1-2) losses but Odi won simply because he played everybody, and with about 6-7 losses, he still won the tournament with quite a clearing just because he played all the games and had a decent K:D ratio). Also this system is broken cos you try to fit in 13 players in 8 player bracket.

It's unfair to sp and bopoh, mnstr& n3m4nj4, as the two losers would have to play an extra round. On top of that look at LB round 4, if winner of Round O in losers bracket would have to play divin in round 8, divin had one game, while SP would have had 4 (four games already!!!) (sorry Stevan, this fantasy scenario involves you hypothetically losing to Bopoh, only because the other scenario would involve me saying "bopoh winning four rounds" )

The system also unfair, but in exactly the opposite way to divin, evgen and saya as they get randomly get byes for round 2. Normally problems like these cause situations that reflect poorly on the tournament.

I mean, I woke up and there's already a PM from khaz about match arrangement, so I'm 100% sure we can play that in the next 48 hours.

I'm tired of seeing same layouts in every tournament lately, follow the spirit of FACE IT, 125 FPS, CPM MASTERS, QUACK CON and DREAM HACKE and spice it up a little and make a pre-qualifier tournament and a knockout stage, e+ hasn't had one of those for a few years with more than 2 groups.

Hey Turbo, hold up with the tournament. I didn't gave much thoughts about the brackets as I seen it at 2am and I was bloody tired already but now as I see it Shady is absolutely right. Maybe re-organize the brackets as it's not too late for it yet? Nobody has played the game yet so you can do it, it won't take much time to re-organize stuffs. I beg you to do it.

Later I give some thoughts about dm13 also because there are so many varieties of this map that I am confused with them.