so as long as hammer doesn't post a demo it means any average player can become banned because he hits a few time good shoots in a row?

Expedion

Like i told u earlyer before , when u play vs me on ctf1 and i full hit u with lg and u make it possible to do 180 degrees turnaround shots and frag me while u hang in my lg in the air , and u do it 1 or 2 time then its a miracle or 'luck'

The reason why i do this lg to railers is that very high skilled players as nite / killer / abarth would destroy me completly and leave me powerless
I never seen this frags since all the time im an Admin from a clean player , and all topplayers played on our servers to for years but in all that years only ash did such thing 4 times in a row

After 5 of such weird impossible shots it gets suspicious , and u manage it do do that ..
5 or six shots later (so 11 impossible shots in a row in total ) i ask shox his opinion in private talk
and 6 shots later he comes also to the conclusion that u cheat and he says 100 percent sure u use wallhack ...

So u manage it to make 17 impossible to make shots practicly in a row , and another admin specs u too and say he is sure that u cheat but then based on wallhack

What u suspect me to do with all my years of experience ? i even discussed this with other high skill players and they all said to me this was really really impossible on a closed map ..
U can make a lot of noise on e+ forum but im afraid that wont help u much

U yell out loud on e+ forum ure ban = becouse of hate , but if it was out of hate we would ban u inmeaditly with the reason : we dont want assholes here .. same like we did with other players .. in fact it looks for me more and more now that u want to distract the people from the real reason and try to confuse us ... for me the word of 2 admins in this case is more then enough .. if u want i will get the stats of that night , but i dont thing it will be nececary

If u want we do a vote for unban yes/no , but i wouldnt have too much hope after all what happened last days .. and ure also known under the admnins as a troller / teamfuckupper / ragequitter .. i had a few days before ure ban a conversation with u about this to improve ure attitude that wasnt the best

hammer.

i spectated you the whole time, after hammer asked me to do so, with the wallhack command. i saw you were reacting to hammer's player model behind walls. from your position were no sounds to be heard and because you are a deathmatch player, i highly doubt you have the experience, which is needed to predict paths on ctf maps. ctf1 might be familiar to you but i'm sure, you lack knowledge of other ctf maps such as x3 maps or threewave ctf maps. other players became suspicious as well because you don't even know most of the moves, but you were precisely predicting, where people were coming from.
on the other hand, your attitude is far beyond anything i would tolerate. crying in public won't help you and if it was my decision only, you -just like skull- will be banned permanently. cheerz

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Expedion Like i told u earlyer before , when u play vs me on ctf1 and i full hit u with lg and u make it possible to do 180 degrees turnaround shots and frag me while u hang in my lg in the air , and u do it 1 or 2 time then its a miracle or 'luck'

First off, doing multiple 180 degree frags is nothing of a miracle. It is simply a skill. There are even 360 degree frags that people in Call of Duty perform, with a gamepad! And as a longtime experienced quaker you are, you shouldn't be "stranged" out by these sort of frags that fast. It's all just a matter of reflex, the right mouse settings.

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The reason why i do this lg to railers is that very high skilled players as nite / killer / abarth would destroy me completly and leave me powerless I never seen this frags since all the time im an Admin from a clean player , and all topplayers played on our servers to for years but in all that years only ash did such thing 4 times in a row.

You shouldn't hold so desperately on one weapon as the LG. Don't expect the weapon to fix all the miracles for you and give you a bulletproof gameplay or even close to that! This reasoning is absolutely based on your own conviction that your LG is no match for a rail which is an absolute load of bull! And your LG is not a measuring tool for spotting cheaters...

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After 5 of such weird impossible shots it gets suspicious , and u manage it do do that ..5 or six shots later (so 11 impossible shots in a row in total ) i ask shox his opinion in private talk and 6 shots later he comes also to the conclusion that u cheat and he says 100 percent sure u use wallhack ...

Nice words with huge claims about "these shots". Just give us a demo and we'll know exactly what you are on about.
Also you guys are ignoring other many factors like knowledge of the enemies place, the sound, open layed out paths for the enemy to walk through, anticipation, timing, reflex.

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So u manage it to make 17 impossible to make shots practicly in a row , and another admin specs u too and say he is sure that u cheat but then based on wallhack

Your phrasing of words like impossible are amusing. DEMO PLEASE

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What u suspect me to do with all my years of experience ? i even discussed this with other high skill players and they all said to me this was really really impossible on a closed map ..U can make a lot of noise on e+ forum but im afraid that wont help u much

Like any experienced bloke, I assume you would provide a nice demo for us, or sh0x as being the first one to yell WH, the guy who was spectating me, should send a demo.
Since you also have "discussed" it with high skilled players then this must mean that you have shown them a demo too in order to clearly illustrate your point. Powerpoint presentations with nice images, word documents or journalistic chat questions will ofcourse not cut it. The demo is where it starts...
I've been playing e+ for 6+ years and 10+ years quake 3! I was part of outstanding clans like BNT, KoD, ><, MGC and many others. I was not born into this game yesterday....

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U yell out loud on e+ forum ure ban = becouse of hate , but if it was out of hate we would ban u inmeaditly with the reason : we dont want assholes here .. same like we did with other players .. in fact it looks for me more and more now that u want to distract the people from the real reason and try to confuse us ... for me the word of 2 admins in this case is more then enough .. if u want i will get the stats of that night , but i dont thing it will be nececary

First off, the reason why I brought this all up is because skull posted on e+ about being banned himself on Borg unreasonably. I thought it was an excellent oppurtunity to do my say! Since you also did not had a register button placed on the site until the moment it was pointed out to you in the e+ thread, I went to post it in the e+ thread.
I don't do it out of hate. I just think you guys have REALLY made an unreasonable ban. And hammer, I told you many times, I am totally fine with the members of the borg team including you!
And 2nd thing about me bringing confusion. I am not going into this right now cause it would make us dwelve off the subject. But you made it obviously very clear. You banned me because you believed I was cheating. I confused for a sec that sh0x's word is your word, which is his own ragerant about me. I am very sorry for this. But we will leave this argument.
The issue is clear now so let's move on.

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If u want we do a vote for unban yes/no , but i wouldnt have too much hope after all what happened last days .. and ure also known under the admnins as a troller / teamfuckupper / ragequitter .. i had a few days before ure ban a conversation with u about this to improve ure attitude that wasnt the best

First off, I am not a troll. However I can be a teaser. Teamfuckupper, ragequitter? This is a way of labelling me when I have something all of a sudden come in between as an emergency, which gives me no ability to continue with the match, isn't it wise to leave? What is so hard to understand that. People have busy lives too. Quake 3 servers are not schools nor real workplaces, we are not entitled to oblige to the hours of math, geography, history, physics, or spend hours fixing internal business processes! People can come and whenever they have to go, they go....

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i spectated you the whole time, after hammer asked me to do so, with the wallhack command. i saw you were reacting to hammer's player model behind walls. from your position were no sounds to be heard and because you are a deathmatch player, i highly doubt you have the experience, which is needed to predict paths on ctf maps. ctf1 might be familiar to you but i'm sure, you lack knowledge of other ctf maps such as x3 maps or threewave ctf maps. other players became suspicious as well because you don't even know most of the moves, but you were precisely predicting, where people were coming from. on the other hand, your attitude is far beyond anything i would tolerate. crying in public won't help you and if it was my decision only, you -just like skull- will be banned permanently. cheerz

Demo please. And when you focus too much on the wallhack command, trying to lay down a relation to the gameplay, it could start to deceive you too. It's just like staring at the clouds to much to find different forms of animals and human faces in them.
Predict paths on CFT Maps... we played ctf1, one of the maps I played alot. True you are right, I don't have much knowledge on most of the threewave maps. But I always remember how a player moves, what bfg wallshots he makes, where he lands. It's just a matter of utilizing your memory and understanding how the player usually plays, which is what I also used with Hammer. He just kept going the same way on and on. And occasionally he would switch paths to break his walking pattern. But I am not stupid. I know that people also think and try to outsmart me, so I try to outsmart them. This is how quake 3 is. It is a game of outsmarting eachother. Cat and mouse.

But yeah, demo please.