Cheater Report Discussion

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16. April 2011 - 18:44
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_Evil_Antichrist wrote:

it is for YOU to prove beyond doubt he cheats

That is what skull did already, all other persons, except camel, were posting flames and were beating around the bush just because there is nothing yet you can argue conclusively.

Your arguments are:
- god, he is veteran, he doesn't cheat
- i make tons of suspicious shots without cheats (never saw such a demo, also there is none available since there simply don't happen so many shots on target through wall in 1 game without a hack)
- you are an idiot

Still did not watch the demo, i am still just irritated by the way of discussing of the pro-kt-guys just blank and insulting words.

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16. April 2011 - 18:55
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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

_Evil_Antichrist wrote:
It also doesn't take a great deal of imagination to work out that if he was cheating, he is not likely to give you a q3config file with any hacks in it,, so I cant see how this would help you. Aside from that, maybe he doesn't feel the need to prove anything to you and is simply ignoring this topic now.

Thats the difference between us, I can read stuff in a q3 config even if most important things are deleted. If he ignores this topic, then he will get banned fa sho sooner or later.

I am sorry but I am a bit short in time right now.

You have no idea what I know about config files, that's very presumptious of you and the effect variables have on game play etc etc. And if your going to ban him or anyone else that doesn't proove there innocence, then this whole cheat topic is just an academic excersise where you have the authority to ban people if they dont do what you say. That isnt democracy, thats an authoritarian attitude. Maybe it's a cultural thing in your case. I feel sorry for all the genuine good and bad players out there who dont cheat with people like you in responsible positions thinking your so damn high almighty making accusations for cheating then banning them because they dont prove they are innocent. What a joke.

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16. April 2011 - 19:05
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mow Q [EN] wrote:

_Evil_Antichrist wrote:
it is for YOU to prove beyond doubt he cheats

That is what skull did already, all other persons, except camel, were posting flames and were beating around the bush just because there is nothing yet you can argue conclusively.

Your arguments are:
- god, he is veteran, he doesn't cheat
- i make tons of suspicious shots without cheats (never saw such a demo, also there is none available since there simply don't happen so many shots on target through wall in 1 game without a hack)
- you are an idiot

Still did not watch the demo, i am still just irritated by the way of discussing of the pro-kt-guys just blank and insulting words.

Ilmao, you moan about so called insults from pro-kt guys, and you, a pro-skull guy just state Im an idiot!!!!! Then you wander why people get cross with your German arrogance, something you have in common with skull it seems. Like I said, its for skull to proove he cheats beyond reasonable doubt, and for there to be an impartial vote on this issue. by people who have no axe to grind. If he is banned any other way,. then this whole discussion is just a farse and excersise in lip service to make it all look fare..

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16. April 2011 - 19:19
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1st) I am not pro-skull, for the 2nd time now
2nd) German arrogance? Rassism?
3rd) Learn to quote and well, there is an edit button

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16. April 2011 - 19:26
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Mr Almighty Antichrist, If your reading skills can't comprehend what I said, then I gotta say it for you one more time.

I am waiting for golly to post his config before I use my big artillery of arguments. As for now his lack of seriousness and profession just draw quite the opposite picture he want to be.

I for myself am as said, in an all-in position, If I fail to proof he cheats I resign - same as he said he will stop playing (which is a win win deal for him, if he is proofen cheating then he won't be allowed to play anyways).

So due to deleting his post he is the one who is actually damaging his own honor, not me.

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16. April 2011 - 19:36
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rUnThEoN?! wrote:


So due to deleting his post he is the one who is actually damaging his own honor, not me.

Well I agree with you totally on that point. Seemed a stupid thing to do, deleting his posts, and no, it doesn't help his cause when he does things like that. Don't know if your reading this golly, but the chances of you still being able to play in Q3 if you don't at least show some willingness to help skull with his request and help clear your name as far as is reasonably possible, then your only cutting of your nose to spite your face. The q3config file is easy enough to supply, or even paste it in a reply here. You have nothing to loose by giving that information at least.

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16. April 2011 - 20:10
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I gonna bet if u look in the proporties of his config you see "last changed on 16.04.2011".

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16. April 2011 - 20:26
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someone, please put proper BB-codes in this post, otherwise it breaks formatting on page:
http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/cheater-report-discussion-0?page=30#comment-339269


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Name { "Biotoxin" }
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SHUDDER wrote:
People are training hard to hide their autoshoot so well while gain enough skills to win (or at least compete on similar level) without them. This is getting insane or provoked. I feel like I would cut myself with Ockham's Razor if I claim a cheat there.

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16. April 2011 - 20:44
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mow Q [EN] wrote:

I gonna bet if u look in the proporties of his config you see "last changed on 16.04.2011".

Why not q3 writes it back every time you quit the game. And ofc the modify date is changed. If you play.... aww ..

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16. April 2011 - 20:56
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mow Q [EN] wrote:

I gonna bet if u look in the proporties of his config you see "last changed on 16.04.2011".

It wouldn't mean anything ("deleted passwords"-excuse for example) and it's easy to make it whatever you want anyway.

I think that offered remote sesion was worth trying (or smo tried that and it failed? - idk). I wrote earlier about 2 PCs method:
- one for system/files/controller+network(external triggers) check & waiting for game to start,
- other connected to server to compare gameplay.
This could be the only tool giving the opportunity to relatively strong self-defence.

Btw. The statistical issue of wall shots (at not followed target) you mentioned plus aiming at walls/floors is one of crucial arguments for wallhack here (and in general). Ofc we need to assume that player has no interest in being considered cheater.

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