i have small question. it is possible to do/add command like it is in quakelive (
cg_kickscale) what will turn off kick/shock/quake of screen after hit from rackets or other 'bullets' ;>

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maybe you have some right :oops: but for me big minus of OA is not support for PB or vice versa... what with cheaters!? look at topic with report cheaters... they are everywhere D:

True. Take a look at other open source game communities and they don't seem to fail due to a lack of PB. They get on fine, so I don't think PB is a big deal.

It has been suggested several times on the 1.04 thread that you make openarena work with e+, however, no one has stated what is actually needed for it to work properly. So, the purpose of this post is to let you know that the fixes needed for openarena are actually very few and e+ would have the advantage of providing full support for it.

Wasp*Killer and some other ppl - including me - set up some e+ servers on openarena with the purpose of attracting new ppl into this unique mod and create an e+ community inside oa, and maybe make e+ the most popular mod inside oa. After some struggle, we set up the servers with mostly all the features that you can find playing e+ on quake, so the needed things for a full oa-compatible release of 1.04 would be these:

- From the openarena wiki:

In the last part, actually its just setting xp_config on the server.cfg that doesn't work, if you put a /load conf/config.cfg in the rotation.txt it does work.

- Server-side-only support. Currently it throws a client/server game mismatch. That's pretty easy to solve tho, we achieved it by hacking the cgame.qvm and qagame.qvm (also tested qagame.dll with 1.04 and it works too). We opened the file with an editor (that doesn't mess up with the linefeeds like notepad) and changed the occurrences of baseq3 for baseoa, and maybe because the length is the same and the char count remains intact, it worked pretty fine. The only problem is that the clients without the mod see the scoreboard all fucked up, so that needs a fix.

- New bugs introduced with 1.04: xp_drawmouse 1 doesn't work when spectating (maybe if it's too much work to see the changes on the engine you can just disable that var), and changing some cvars in game do not take effect (i.e. if you run on localhost /g_gametype 8 and then /rcon map_restart, the gametype is not changed, but if you run the command as a hole /g_gametype 8;map_restart 0 then it works). There are probably more bugs but I haven't tested extensively yet.

- The release must be free of copyrighted material (strictly speaking, that includes sounds, textures, scripts, images, media, etc. and I think that even gpl your code, I'm really not sure of what oa being gpl means in term of releasing a mod for it). However, though even John Carmarck (head developer of q1-q3) was of the philosophy that anyone should be able to learn from other's source code if they wanted to (and demonstrated it by gpling the source code for quake 1-3 engines), that is a personal decision and also maybe a lot of tedious work, so i think that at least removing the xp skins (that don't work on oa anyways) and the levelshots (that also doesn't serve for anything because you can't play baseq3 maps on oa) would make an step forward into making the oa community accept more e+, because now most ppl are biased torwards it.

- Other minor and mostly eye-candy and low-priority bugs.

I'm not telling you to make them asap, first concentrate on the main release (btw, i suggest you that don't release the 1.04 without the item replacing system, but release a beta just before working on it). However, once finished, please consider releasing an e+ version for oa.

I also don't think that make e+ an standalone game is needed, then we would need a hole team to make it work, including the engine, maps, models, textures, etc., not only the mod. Besides, please lets focus on getting this version released and stable before speaking about radical changes like that.

Regards,

Wasp*Beast

I just redid my name a ton of times, used the new table suggested, and it just keeps saying "unnamedplayer" and then I looked at what my name was in spider, and it was coloured and stuff and not unnamedplayer, also I typed xp_name, just to see what it would tell me my name was, and it was a bunch of black text, really long, but I was still named unnamedplayer. Its really confusing.

Killer, heres the obvious answer. Diversify, Yes the die hards will always be here, but think about this, the die hards would continue to complain and use 1.03 if there wasnt an update. I think an Excessive Plus game itself would be amazing, just basically take open arena and make it excessified, as you've already done by loading regular E+ 1.03 onto your OA servers. If there was a stand alone version that would be utterly amazing, it would probably help keep the FPS up as its just the one program, we could integrate everything alot easier, and the updates could be done through an automatic update or somthing, like most MMORPGs.

Honestly, if that were to happen though, it would take a hell of a dedicated group to program it, and they'd probably think of all kinds of little changes and what not that no one would agree on, eventually resulting in an unsatisfying product. Thats the problem I'd say. So if only it were so easy to create a stand alone E+ product that didnt require q3.

Anyways, I still cant get names to work in the beta, its a bit confusing. I guess i'll just continue playing 1.03 for now, as I found 1.04 was basically just 1.03 with some different fonts and whatnot, I cant feel a huge difference in gameplay, until theres a feature that lets my 1.1 ghz machine run at 100 fps constant or better, lol, i dont know.