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@mad - so making a fast rail switch was also not cheat if u say about using "features". No third party software involved. No general rule bout that ...

No, of course not, exploiting bugs is not something i would promote. Still, that freefly thing is hardly a bug. Its simply something which the + team forgot about.

No, i was talking about having someone on spect who tells you where the enemies are, who is not actively playing so he or she can quickly analize what is going on and give advice to team mates.

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Mad hypothetical situation:

1vs1 TAG game, last seconds, score's a tie. You're on walk with BFG selected and about to turn round a corner when bang a BFG splashes at your feet when u're about to do that, killing you and giving the win to the opposite team. It appears one of the specs/players of the other team was in freefly mode following your every step around, and guiding his team-mate to your exact location.

How would you feel then m8?

I don't see how trying to make the game more fair could be stoneage-like. Wanna talk pro? Then what about major LAN Counter-Strike tournaments, that have fadetoblack enabled (this basically turns your screen black when you die) and interdiction to talk to your teammates after you die. Is this also part of the stoneage?

Ok i'm not saying make this mod pro or whatever, just make it fair if given the opportunity: http://forums.excessiveplus.net/viewtopic.php?t=19064

yes you said this ages ago

but tbh i wouldn't be retarded enough to not hear you

and whats wrong with freefly spec? its more lame than the camping>moving or moving>camping debates... just coz someone was a bad loser all this unneeded rage comes out?

grow up kids

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and whats wrong with freefly spec?

Re-read my hypothetical situation and you will know what's wrong with it...

I cant believe some ppl are actually ok with the idea of having spectators follow around enemy players and giving out their positions. I'm just thinking TAG mostly here, but still....wow...and sad.

Oh and remember this is NOT about 2!s and this whole debate was NOT created only because of your game vs Evol!

Mad i think this was the most appropriate time to discuss the matter, with the new release around the corner and all. So what if it was around for 2 years? This doesn't mean we cant fix it now that we have a chance. Nobody is bitching about the past, let bygones be bygones, games were played like this, they will probably still be played like this till the new release, but why not make things better? And nobody talked about disabling TS, or any other in-game communications, this still is to my eyes a simple debate on "freefly" and it's lame capabilities during a war. And no i do not consider this cheating and neither is anyone else except Skullhead imo, so don't generalize it pls. That's all.

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It makes it seem like we are the first and the only clan doing it.

Whoever thinks that is plain stupid as like you said this thing has been around for years...

I'm sorry you feel that way but trust my words when i say that the vast majority of this community does not think that way about 2!s.

So for the last time, this debate is purely about freefly mode in clan wars, not about ANY specific clan.

ps. i even changed the topic name so there would be no doubts this is not aimed at any clan in particular.