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The passive solution that i normally do has the advantages that it lets them resolve this issue which is by nature a clan management issue. And the disadvantage to taking too long in most of the times.
The active solution has the advantage to take less time until the ref decide to interfere but has the advantage to make a bit mess because one of the clans could believe they were clearly disadvantaged by the ref's server decision and might consider the ref to be an unbiased at that time.
what do you think?

Another situation is on tie rules of certain cups: IT could happen (happened before) for the cup to have the N number of tie maps (where N is an odd number: 1,3,5,7...) and also have a rule saying that the tie maps can be picked as clan map but cannot be tie maps after this.. And will happen that there will be left only (N-1) number of tie maps to be chosen which is an even number (0?? ,2,4,6 ...) and one clan will like a map and the other clan will like another map and none of them want to agree on the tie.what to do then ?
I won't say my opinion in detail but its alike the solutions which i described in the other topic.

Again: what do you think?
And btw if there are problems regarding certain cup rules that are written less understood-able you should try to ask the organizers about what it means and also they to clarify it in the cup's post.
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Sure we are not machines, Most of us know each and personnaly players that we ref. Pasive solution or active solution? I think, when they sign for an event/cup, they must agree ref rules like :
.:: If a team sign for this event, leaders agree with Ref+ rules.
And for ref team public, must have detailed strict rules to follow. Like when ppl choose map, most of the time you have 2 or 3 saying : dm5, oh no dm8, oh no dm17, or they play warmup 300 sec when you say : Hey ! Choose Map pleaaaaaasssseee!. May be the both team leaders must /tell <ref-id> blablabla map. (as terror wrote here : http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/ref-team-referee-service). In that case i don't think it's enough. Refs have to be polite in every situation. That also applicable to players/leaders. Communication is very important, i think most of mistakes come from a bad comprehension from both side.

Leaders have responsability of their teams. Loud & Clear instructions may become our "out of case" situation easiest to clarify/decide.
For the tie map, Zack give me a simple solution : Put a small map (dm0), both team leaders on it, match with gauntlet. The winner will decide for the map. BUT! : that only applicable if both teams can't agree after N minutes, as you say epsi.

Btw, for all special cases, i think, we need to share experience together with all ref teams. Even if question/case are ridiculous, the purpose may to be objective in front of a situation. And after all of this, rules must be etablished. After that, there will not surprise from Ref descision, from teams descisions.

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This is why when you become a ref you need to know how to handle these small "what-to-do" situations. (and these are not so many)

Most of players in ref teams knows how to be facing a problem. But players don't know. Take an example : Every football players know the rules "how to be ref". Players side just doesn't take in count the judgement in face of situation. I think it must be same for e+ players that participate to event/cup.

1) In all Rank games Ref MUST be present not neutral player. - will only makes pauses in gmaes cuz not always we are available for everyone.
2) Ref dont choose servers only clans - what we have to their choose ;> game must be comfortable for them, we can search servers for both clan, they can check situation. but always alst word should be from clans about server.
3) Ref check players ping if it is 200 and up cant play so change server. - rly pointless if loss not come. whats the problem to hit enemy with ping 300 without loss? i do not have any. game can be uncomfortable only for this guy with big ping, but if he want to play i do not see any problem with it.

please KISS guys (Keep It Simple Stupid).

the point is: we want to create here ranking from real life? - not possble i gues / or we want to play our game for us and just help others?

I don't have anything to add right now, only thing that crossed my mind was about timeouts and FPS answered me. Good guidelines, i am sure if we all follow them that it will improve refs reputation and i hope gain some respect for ref+ team.

Cheers.

L O L from rayden.

raydan i kill by easiest way few of your points. i do not need to comment (but i will do it specially for you) your post where you write something about me because you simple attack me. doesnt you wrote at server: please find any other ref? yes we did it ;] check mvds, no1 there was saying some bullshit about you because no1 care about that you will be ref or ref will be some random player. check ranking subforums. how many matches are ranked and was refed by randomly player?
lest go forward... does anywhere is wrote: trial member can became to ful member only at midnight! not at randomly hour of a day (like it was at our match for cup [IS vs EDS]). So if EDS make from trial an fullmember 1 minute before you came problem will not exist xD (for rank match), problem was more at CUP rules side what have nothing with disscusion here (yep there is wrote that the pleyer must pause, but both clan agreed so problem already stop exist - EDS are so bussy guys and that was only one day and time when they can come as you was able to see when you was at server). by this simple way i killed your theory about that i was afraid about something or i was try to hide something. i just do not want to start sensless discuss about that and W/O from eds side = - points in cup for them. WE as IS more helped than do mistake.... hmm... what mistake? everyone knows the situation its clear so we cannot call it mistake.

wanna talk about something more? i guess i can kill all your ideas what i comment - with rest i just simple agreed cuz i like them.
get low and chill. i can feel from that what you wrote the you are nervous (cuz i negate your ideas?) or just want to troll around a lil bit.