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EVOL.IZNOGOUD
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Ok, Bo and all that feels concerned (this is gonna be a long post but ill try to make it as short as possible. Lots of this is also to be read inbetween the lines of the rules).
You have to bind this yourself, if possible, to your post, coz now i just type as it comes to my perhaps messed up mind.

I just got a bit mad coz u made it (to me) sound like 'your shit sux, this is how u R gonna change things'. I am not the creator of this league and could leave it be, but i have accepted to offer my aid if necessary. And if i think it is, i will. My mind just screamed 'who the F**K does he think he is!' I dont mind criticism IF it is constructive, and looking beyond the 'crap and stupid'... And now this second explanation. Sorry if i blew you off in any way. I know you are a good guy and hopefully meen well by posting this, but this -crap and stupid- was made in public so i think the response should also be made in public.
And, well... You did not do a single practise round in front of the league and you knew you were up against sNr in your first game? Dude... Could it be that THEY did, and thats why you lost so fast? There are not many games in this league, if any at all, that the outcome is sertain! This is just my speculations though.

Im confidant in that this league atleast gives a lesson in what to avoid when doing things like this, so surely you have a good chance to do this better!
And yes, when stuff dont work, something needs to be done. But at this point only 'minor startup gliches' have occured and they are surely being worked at (right Sub7?). The load of unhappy players i know nothing about. Ive so far heard a few more positive than negative responses to this. Plz, if anyone think things are good enough, let 'us' know that too. Mabe is just posts here that counts as an opinion? If silence is acceptance positive side is way ahead the negative. So wich u think should be concidered. The few? Not gonna happen!
The rule you r complaining about is...? Third map being chosen by admin?
I think this not getting PB to work properly on some servers, made Sub7 especially eager to require an admin present at every game. If not, i belive someone would have made a remark of that too.
Hopefully the servers that couldnt get PB to work, will have that problem solved as soon as possible. PB, imo, sure aint flawless but The Rules require PB. The versionnumber should though be replace with 'latest available'.
To, by just speccing, tell if someone is mabe using stuff that could be by the majority concidered not allowed is hard, but the obvious ones would atleast be spotted.
Pure could also increase security (or whatever u like to call it). On my server (2) me and Bazze will spec one team each, if possible. BigBrother is watching you Winking
And yes, good idea to make this 'admin present' thing optional.
Sub7, if you had a minute to spare be4, now u can forget it. Brainstorm on this instead.
But, if no admin or objective third party spectator is present, ANY complaints about the other team have to be disregarded unless a minimum 3/4 of the players agree to the complaint. You also could record your game, but lots of you know what happens when recording your own game... Opponents wont need no aid to win.
Some things worked different when applied to actual battle. Those needs to be solved, agree on that. Suggestions always are appreciated! Meanwhile this 'sux'-rules have to due.

I was not informed about this reschedule thing, not a good excuse, but i didnt know. I didnt understand that by just reading your post either. I figure last minute not optional reschedule would make anyone a bit angry, like if you fx have had an option of doing something else that time that could mabe end up in a close IRL 1on1 instead and cancelled that coz you had a game to play... No names *cough* Pan *cough*... Winking Now that would suck really hard! (now the unnamedplayer *chough* Pan *chough* played their game and i'm convinced he *chough* Pan *chough* is a very smart/smooth guy and just moved those plans 4 tonight instead. I'm also sure the unnamedplayer *chough* Pan *chough* is gonna win that one too. Anyways, imo, friday night is better (all night is good) 4 a 1on1 in that mod. IF u dont want your contestant to leave the arena as soon as possible after the match and needed a worthy "have to get up for work early tomorrow" excuse, that is).
Sorry for drifting off the subject. And unnamedplayer *cough* Pan *chough*, i hope i didnt get to personal and steped on a sour toe, coz u are one of the main reasons for me joining gen.X. in the first place Winking
You did a big sacrifice to show up to the game. Im not sure i would.
Enough of this and back to the subject Happy

You are not requested to plan two months ahead! Ofc your family and career should alwas come first. Just think "how long would i, Bo, like to be noticed in advance to reschedule a game?". You have your opponents saying to concider too. You suggested 3 days in a previous post... There are plenty of league-unscheduled days to pick from. They are way more than 3.
Admin present... Read above.

So you preffer to feel bad, mabe even humiliated for a long time insted of a short? Ok. Im not. The games is not that short that it is impossible to do a comeback. Im sure it can be done. Against a well syncronized and skillfull sNr? Mabe not Happy
HEAD sure gonna try to give e'm hell anyways Cool

I dont think its the rules that is the main problem right now. Its the running smooth thing. Could cut the passwords and give all teams rcon-pass and leave it to the teams to fix mapchanges and to play fair. If this happens, dont blame me if it gets abused and if hostility would rise, mabe even out of control. Fx, to fake-nick and mess things up, or claim fakenicking when caught doing a bad thing, will always be a riskfactor. PB reveals a GUID that can be traced/connected with a player. Ok, if you have more than one key that is accepted by PB, you still will be able to stay anonymous. Ups, this is another discussion...
To prevent everything is very hard. I sure dont know how to or even if its possible at all. My belief is that Sub7 wanted to atleast try to offer some basic security/protection to all players. This has shown 2 b harder than he predicted.

Again sorry, the long-post-day seems 2 continue 4 me Cool

Bättre pissa i stuprännan än stupa i pissrännan !

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I dont think sNr had practiced much either. They didnt even have a mapchoice Happy And yeah. I rather be humiliated for 25 frags than 10 if that gives me atleast a chance to get some frags . That match has nothing to do with me not liking the short games. Me and Un where better the first 5 frags (read 90 secs) than the last 5 frags so they got better the longer we played so resultwise the 10 frags was ok.

The thing is that i felt cheated of the clanwar I had hoped for. Its like on the BLOODFIRE clan server where they change from freeze to FFA and forget to change the fraglimit from 8 to 40. Jump in, get a few frags and BEEEP. Yeah, it takes skill to be on top from the beginning but is it fun?

And the mapchoice from admin. I have no problem with that. As long as it is always the same map and it is known to everyone what map that is.

And if I dont really care if people scream at me Happy If I think something is stupid I will say it, just as long as everyone that is reading it is able to understand that me saying something is not (not even by me) to be considered as the truth. I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things and I will voice them as I always have. If someone feels different please feel free too, if you have a point that will convince me then I will listen to it, if not, well.. I wont.

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who the F**K does he think he is!

.. Why do you take it so seriously? If someone thinks what I do is crap I either agree or dont care much. If someone insults me (or my clan) personally, thats another thing. I think that the 10 frag limit is stupid and I think that having to have an admin present is stupid (or not fully thought through if you prefer that). The general idea of admins present is good, but I doubt you can make it happen throughout the league. If you do, kodus to you.

Oh, I played one match so far and I base this on that one game. I had an open "playwindow" of 2h that day, or postpone to the day after the scheduled date. Me and Harding try to get FSS to set us up for that window but it took some convincing before he agreed. We could have been forced to do a WO because he didnt have time and that is not so good. Maybe things will run smoother in the future, who knows

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khm ... Ill try show my opinion briefly:

1) I have to agree that freezelimit = 10 is not enough. Map is over within 5 minutes when nobody is camping Winking Perhaps it depends on maps... Dunno... However GenY team played against GOQ on dm7 which is a pretty large map.
Imo freezelimit could be raised to 15-20. Sth like that.

2) Bout not showing up teams and so on ... - Thats an easy topic. If someone does not care he will not come - game shedule is pretty easy to find, so imo its not a big deal to plan 40 minutes of gameplay one week in advance if one really wants to play. But - if there are some really good reasons for absence (like - oh my grandma i s dying) one should ask admin to forward the game.

3) PB and pure should be 1. Imo even when admins are specing its quite easy to use cheats without being spotted.

4) Admin presence - huh ... I dont really care if one is present or not. But I agree that some people find using rcons impossible so ...

5) ... and last OFFTOPIC ... I really - DO NOT like freezetag ... huh ... Never liked it Tongue

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anyway -2day I have a fight fixed ...hmm ... **unnammed player** vs taygah ... huh ... ::rotfl:: Winking friday is a good day :]

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Hehe, Pan... You replying to this is sertain as 'amen' in church Cool
Just wonder, what took you so long?
1-4) Will not be commented by me, or have already been in a previous post.
Hm, u knew this... R u mocking me or trying to make me repeat myself? You sneaky ...... Shock
5) But still you partcipate Happy Nice!
Again Happy

Bo, i have no problem with you saying your opinion.
I'm just old fashioned i suppose. When i express my opinion i dont use 'crap' or 'stupid' about other peoples doing to make my point. Not to start off a simple and supposed friendly and constructive discussion like this mabe was supposed to be anyways.

I dont really take this discussion that serious.
Me just wants ppl to get a second view of things. U show them some of yours, i show them some of mine. I had some hope in that a few more of the other involved/participants would show us some of theirs.
Contradiction(?); Imo, public discussions about this matters at this stage of a league should not be at all. I think it even could do more harm than good!
To me, defending this and not even being the man in charge soz, is not worth the risk of losing any friends.
Peace dudez Cool

Sub7, its your league. Take command!
If you need my assistance, im still available.

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Well, in this case it seems like it did some good.

It seems that I did have a valid point at least in the part with the dates and the admin present. There was trouble getting people to the cw's in the right time to the point of the owner-admin was gonna close the whole league down.

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yeap. discusion soulbt be over, like ligue is now, adn now all hawe yours answers about points of yours views.....

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damn now i know that i cant grab others team to fight with me bysse dont hawe contacts with them... and dates of mathes are tottaly free ? this is insaine ? this ligue be endet about two years

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all dont need dates so you make own make all contacts to homepage!! so