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un(player)
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Im not afraid to speak openly in public and this needs to get public.
The admin is firefox.
In my oppinion she isn't suited for the job, and her history of beeing admin on mullders servers has also showen that only troubles come out of her.
She have had issues with mullder, pandora, mona, decky , me and probably countless more.
I can ofcause only speak for myself.
For some reason that illutes me a bit, ff aproched me one day telling me that if i used dirty/perverted names i would be banned.
This is ofcause OK todo, but what I find irritating is that i used those names ONE time and i was approached by ff long time after.
I have the feeling that it wasn't really the fact that I used those names that made ff approach me, but rather something else.
This is the major reason why i belive ff is unfit to be admin.
I belive she do not act acording to a set of admin rules but is more controlled by her unstable feelings. I hope u can see the difference :
1) observation --> look up in admin manual --> act acording to manual
2 ) feeling --> observation --> lookup in admin manual --> act acording to mood + manual

As u can read from the quoted text in mow's first post, this is excatly the case. A good advice to u ff is to take some of the heart out of the admining and maybe the rest of us wont have to cope with ur build up unstable emotions.

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I cannot agree with that.

First of all, show me an admin, dosen't matter from where, dosen't matter what he is administrating, that wouldn't at least once in his administrating career judge a situation with his feelings rather than "the set of rules". You won't find one, and do you know why? Because admins aren't robots, they are ordinary guys (or gals Laughing like you and me. They can be happy, they can be angry, they can make mistakes. Everyone can. And i think, admins in particular. You must understand, being admin is a very stressful job. You deal with all kinds of people - people wearing fake smiles, who tell you something different in the face and something different behind your back, people who are there just to play, people with whom you can safely chat, people who are complete idiots... you name it.

A good admin for me, is one who can learn from his/her mistakes. Who tries to be just and fair for everyone equally. One who is reasonable, and yes, who, sometimes, can judge a situation not only basing on the rules, but also on his/her feelings. Imo, FF has all these qualities. I've seen her make mistakes, sure. But they are dwarfed by her cheerful character, reason and clear intake on situation, most of the time. Calling her a bad admin is taking it way beyond any lines of decency. Want a bad admin? Go talk with Holy, he can write a book on how to be one.

Btw, you said that there are "countless others" people who are unhappy with FF's admin performance. Well, where are you, unspeakably large horde of raving anti-fox maniacs? Tbh, i think that is BS. Because from what i've seen, FF has a LOT more friends than enemies in E+. Go figure...

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I said : "probably countless others".

And I dont know why it is so hard to figure out for some, but i outlined the extreame cases above. Ofcause there is a infinite degrees inbetween the robot admin and the "ordinary guys" with feelings. Im just summing up the impression I have of firefox and paint it compleatly black to ease the understanding and underline my message.
Beeing admin isn't stressfull unless u make it stressfull, i've actually been admin myself.
FF might not seem bad to u, but if u one day should be so unfortunate and become a safty valve for her build up stress and aggressions then u might have another point of view.
Then she will find every little mistake u made and point it out to u in purple as if it was a huge crime. So should I allow an admin to make small mistakes if I have to pay for mine ? noway.

And please change the topic to "admins behaviour".
Granted there is an inbalance in the shit u have to cope with as an admin compared with the shit u have to cope with as a player.
But thats the fucking job and dont deal with it by channeling it to a few handpicked enemies. Doing this is total lack of admin skill.

And why dont we see an apology from the admin regarding the main topic?

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The topic "admins behavior" can be created by you for sure, and i have nothing against it and i would also argue in ur topic. What I can claim is the fact, that not anybody was kicked or banned from my servers without any reasons.

And I also spoke in my Posts, that if there are problems with Admins someonecan point that out to with pleasure. Here it is a question of the kind and manner as someone does that!

For sure, there are always people where are tensions between those ones. For example I and raven*soul. But nevertheless ask Him whether I handled him in an ever unfair way over beyond our personal tensions.

And I did not do this thread in order to run down individual persons, it is a question of that as the evolution in general is.

Did you hear ever something bad about Flame (aka Heinster)? He is also an Admin of 2!S, and even he is attacked in spite of being actually always only friendly and helpful.

So UN, back to firefox. UN, who was the person, who was the responsible, that MR. and BRO servers get filled? I remember she was the one, who was gone on empty servers, and it never took than look until Server was full. Than, who was the one, who had always a open ear if someone talked to her about personal problems. Who was absolutly loyal when BRO and MR. killed itself?

I can hardly expect it until you open the thread "Admins behavior".

Let's then talk also about BRO Admins, Admins of Forum (it is really sad, that the person with the most less time, does the best job as Forum Admin, good job WAX from my side), the ability of these people to understand personal importance of the players, and the intuition in the entire one.

In my eyes, the straightest and best Admins are from NWC!

And UN, i am curios to hear your side of the attached screenshot. I believe, there was no reason to offend FF in that way.

Exactly that that is, about what I speak the whole time instead of arguing people starting to insult.

Anyway, if u want, i give u full access to my rootserver, u will be responsible for it for 1 month, and i send u all incoming e-mails, pm's and insults. U have to handle that all. I will be really curios, how u will handle that.

Finally, for what FF shot make an apology, she insulted nor offended deky, she just warned him. It was a mistake from her maybe to warn him, for beeing 5 second on one place, but as u can read, i speak about generell problem, it is not only deky, deky was just the drop on the full barrel of water.

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I have to goto work now ..i'll post an answer later.
In the meantime grep through the log around were that shot was taken, there u will probably find the reason.
I also called ff a filthy cumbag

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Sad omg, such words towards Foxy?!

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no need to search, there is no reason for such names in any case. U r moaning about people all the way, and u r no piece better than them.

I always wonder how people can make advices if they do exactly that against what they advise.

And dont think i am just behind FF because she is a friend or in 2!S, she knows a other side from me, too, in past i was also rude to her, if she have done done some mistakes or something.

but sorry UN, i never expected such a behave from you, as u played in past the mr.-perfect and u had all my respect from ur past posts Sad

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@Unplayer, FF for sure is sensitive couse its woman Happy and im iven ben insulted by she and im dont know to this moment for what "typical woman" Big grin

the point of this topic is, propably couse im dint write it and im will tell what im do think, that a lot ppl if a guy or girl on server tell them to do stm or not to do will give u an answer "fuck u", these ppl just dont cares and think they are only voice on the server, its hapened to me plaenty of times guy im kicked or baned start talking shits about me or infront me and a lot more started arguing like they were some kind of all knowing machine to prove u they control sutuation not not u "admin" mostly rud, a lot of them will do not talk with u normal, they just cant stand that someone telling them stm to do and react with anger picking on u ore talking in sarkasm, and u must allow that person to do that couse u r an admin and if u will kick or ban that peron u will be named "bad admin" couse u baned due to "personal fight on the server"

wtf ?

if u see two guys fighting on words on the server and u r an admin what u do ?

and when they do laf and insult u after yors judgment u must tolerate this , couse ppl will tell u abused power ?

hmmm :roll:

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One more time i'm not able to understand why such a case must be discussed in public.
In my opinion it would have been better to write directly to Deky, telling him what consequences his behavior might have, instead of indirectly blaming him here. Maybe that's not the real point of the thread (as Mow just tries to give example for general circumstances), but nevertheless it would've been possible to post a thread without including personal issues. Moreover, as you can read here, there are obviously always enough people in bad mood to drive such threads with personal issues into a bad shape.
Last addition- mow, i and i guess most of us here know about your great work for the community, but in my opinion less words combined with consequent actions might be better. In this case, you wrote that bad and especially rude behavior leads to a warning, if it happens again you ban the certain person. It maybe would have been just consequent to do what you wanted to.

Just my 2 Cents.
Cya,
Absti

edit: HQ is totally right in my opinion.

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Abst Happy good guy

but it is not about what i have done for the community, i havent done this all for the community, i have done it.

1st for me
2nd for my friends
3rd for all people who are satisfied to play on a cheatfree server with nto always the same maps.

And i tryed always to be fair, even as i already said, that i have sometimes strange thinkings and strange behavior, but i never threaten people unfair on my server.

The point is, why i made this thread (if it was a mistake or not, thats nto my decission), that i can't stand it out anymore, to hear the flamings of people, and the same people act in forums as mr. perfects.

Absti, i wouldnt make a public thread if it wouldnt be a generell problem for me, u know. And that it hit deky on public is a pain for me, but anyway, deky is someone who still learns, and he showed a great attidude in this thread, so he have respect from us, and as long he behaves normal, he will never get kicked or banned or treaten bad, u know?

But i can't stand out atm anymore, the bad behavior of some players (which are not just a few like UN told). I dont tell people 1.000 server rules, i expect basically just a normal behavior, nothing more, nothing less.

I didnt understood mulle in past, but i beginn to understand him more and more.