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Mmmm, well... let me start off by saying I have a lot of friends playing E+, and I play to be with those friends, and I guess I like playing E+ well enough. I also play other mods, CPMA, OSP, RA3, etc. I don't particularly want to change my style of playing from mod to mod for the obvious reasons... actually I decided awhile ago that I would play E+ the same way I'd play in CPMA, or any other mod, except for whatever comes natural in the E+ environment, of course.

I'm quite tired of every time I shaft (err electrocute..) someone with LG, or melt them with PG they call me lamer, or spammer. Does no one remember in baseq3, and the majority of other Quake 3 mods that LG is one of the most used weapons in the game? Actually, LG and PG are a couple of the most skill requiring weapons in the game. I would also say RG, but in the case of E+ rail being fast reload (less than 1.5sec reload.. sometimes less than 1sec), insta-gib, unlagged, and the default 1.0 hitbox being somewhat over sized (vertically speaking the hitbox should start at the torso!) I'd be inclined to say it's the easy weapon.... why else would it be the preferred weapon among most players of the mod?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dump on the mod, it is what it is, and that's fine... it's great for what it is. If I hated E+, I simply wouldn't play it at all. It's really not the mod that frustrates me. It's the players so short sighted or just plain inexperienced in Quake 3 outside of this mod, that they think the way E+ is played is what Quake 3 is about, when in fact it's actually somewhat of an oddball in the world of Quake. But I mean... if I frag someone with LG with accuracy and precision anywhere else the response I would get would be more like "n1!" or "man, that was nice!" (if a comment were made at all)... not "Boo hoo hoo, spammer, lamer whore". And really, if you guys dislike LG, PG, or even MG so much, why have them in the weapons list at all?

I'd simply like to be able to play like a traditional Quake player win or loose, and not have to deal with being cussed at, or kicked from servers over not fitting the mold of the typical rail / bfg slinging E+ player (haven't actually happened yet, but I got the impression 2slow was itching to kick me from the server the other night). I use strafe jumps and rocket jumps opposed to bfg/nade jumps most of the time, and I do use LG and PG like all Quakers outside of E+ do.... SO WHAT?!? Why do I get talked to like what I'm doing is wrong? Tell me, how is it skill-less spam when at the end of the game I come out with 45% - 65% accuracy with these less-than-popular weapons?

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Eh, I get this shit all the time too. Comments like "Spam..." or "lg noob". "I HATE PLASMA SPAM". What next, guys, gauntlet spam? I'm getting aerial plasma kills and they're complaining that it's a cheap kill... Laughing whatever. Winking

Of course you know where I stand on this issue because I use all weapons too... least-used being GL and SG... hell, I use MG more than either of those even.

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heh. u told me about this rat. but all i can say is to stop listening to these idiots. ull also notice not one of the more experienced, better players would tell you anything like these idiots do. one of the reasons y i simply stopped playing at every server except for 2S freeze.

u also told me u get like ~60 percent lg accuracy. not sure if people understand but 60 accuracy on lg is like aaaaaaaawesome! lg is one of the most underutilized weapon in e+ because in most configs the low switch times and reload times for other weapons implies the quick-reload continuous shoot advantage of the lg is negated. would be nice to maintain low overall switch time while incorporating the promode like switches into e+. in otherwords if its easier say to switch from a low reload time weapon like lg and pg to a rail than to switch from a rail to rocket or reload a rail, then people mite actually use lg much more.

ok there i go going promode-like again hey? hehehehe. neways there is one thing that i intensely dislike about the folks that play on e+ servers, most of them are noobs as in people who cant play for shit and then insult anybody who plays good. seen enough and more of people who dont understand how i can anticipate their presence simply because of gameplay or because i heard their footsteps and then they start calling me a cheater. i mean pffffffffffffffffft! go play with other kids is my response to most of these guys. annoying but no helping it really.

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Sigh.

If i had a dollar for every time i heard "gay", "lame", "noob" etc coz i killed someone with lg, mg or pg, i'd be Budman Laughing

I've learned not to respond to such talks, it never leads anywhere... i just do my stuff, and if somone say "Lame" i shrug and keep on playing.

But, for the life of me, i simply don't get it - i only use tools that were given me. Why be angry at me? Be angry at the people who put those weapons in my hands.

Another thing is, most of the people (not saying all, besides, every one of us can get angry sometime and just shout out of frustration) that whine about shit like this, are actually doing this themselves!

From today - i hop around, frag a certain someone by first damaging him with a near bfg shot, and finish up the job with lg. Ofc, i hear the standard "lame" response to my frag. Few minutes later, i see the same person, happily fragging people with a quadded mg. Oh behave...

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I hate shaft and plasma spammers too...

Mostly because i have such a hard time dealing with them especially against someone who uses them with skills.

IMO they are both damned annoying weapons to be killed by, BUT I defenitly do *not* consider it lame to use them. both weapons require a lot of skill to use and even if it is annoying as hell to be in the recieving end it doesnt mean that whoever is on the other end is lame... I still curse about shaft and plasma spamming lamo's but I do it at at home and leave it out of the game Happy

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Big grin Hehe, thanks for the positive replies! I guess Wonko, Necro, and Mad are right... I shouldn't let the Quake noobs get to me.

@Wonko. If I could get myself playing earlier in the day I'd go to 2!S Freeze too.. but usually by the time I'm ready to do some playing everyone in Europe are already asleep, and the European servers are mostly empty.

@Necro. I love getting those aerial shots with RL and PG, you know I get my fair share of air shots too. It really is amazing that people can actually get bent out of shape about it Laughing ... they're just jealous, right? Winking

I also can understand what you're saying too Bo, I can see it being frustrating if you're unable to evade a attack. I also can appreciate you knowing there's nothing lame about it.

I'll tell you what I personally find to be really annoying... well this is true for a lot of the configs being ran on American servers at least... when people shoot three or four weapons within a second Laughing However, I rarely comment about it, and when I do my comment is more in the format of a joke, so no one will flame me Laughing

As far as LG in E+ goes... well consider this a suggestion for mow, and the plus team... or any other server admin who might be reading this. I think removing the splash damage from it would be great. Then it truly would be the skillful weapon it's known to be in Quake. It's a weapon that requires accuracy just like rail.. the splash damage it has spoils that to a extent.

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RATSALAD wrote:

As far as LG in E+ goes... well consider this a suggestion for mow, and the plus team... or any other server admin who might be reading this. I think removing the splash damage from it would be great. Then it truly would be the skillful weapon it's known to be in Quake. It's a weapon that requires accuracy just like rail.. the splash damage it has spoils that to a extent.

I really agree with this. There is a suggestions topic on 2!sweet forum i think. Post it there.

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RATSALAD wrote:

As far as LG in E+ goes... I think removing the splash damage from it would be great.

I'll make it real low like 4-5 in the next version (1.2) of the ninja configs Winking

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RATSALAD wrote:
As far as LG in E+ goes... I think removing the splash damage from it would be great.

I'll make it real low like 4-5 in the next version (1.2) of the ninja configs Winking

Nice Vamp Happy Actually I can't say I've played on the Ninja config... what server(Drunk run it?

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none as far as I know Thinking , I run it on Ninja teahouse when its open

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if people played mr pants excessive (what E+ is mainly based off of) they would realize that LG is one of the top weapons used. i played mr pants for 3-4 years before i came to E+. i get a kick out of babies that can't handle getting fragged my MG or LG. think about it, it takes 2-3 full seconds (maybe more?) for me to kill you and TRACK you accurately with the weapon and you can't even hit me once with rail? who is the real n00b in that situation?

MG & LG = skill.

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