lolol...thanks mate..knew that..i have a little experience doing it so yea thanks for reminding me anyway..i havent started any serious movie making yet cos i dont own a desktop at this point of time...however i am gonna do it some time in the future...

neways flexi i thought about the issue a bit more...and i have a few questions...this is the line of thought i followed....now when u play q3 the engine has to keep track of ur position and the relative positions of ur enemies in 3-D as well as the positions of all items on the map. then it renders a 2-D view, that u see, using projections and simple rules like from ur position if 2 elements appear in the same line then the one nearest u is rendered...so u wont be able to see items behind walls etc...this i guess is the general idea...altho i have no idea how the game does all of it in reality....

so my question is ...if the game keeps track of all the relative positions...and also the attitudes of each player (by which i mean where each player is facing) then y is it not possible to recreate each of the positions and the way each player looks by simply recording from one players pov? this should be theoretically possible, but is there a practical problem?

because if the answer to the first question is yes...then it shouldnt matter where ur recreating things from..doesnt matter if you are doing it from a players pov or from some random point in the map....in that case u should be able to recam to a random point or whatever way u wish...

this question is also involved in the idea of multi-view demos...necro tells me that it is being cosidered to implement mvds in the next e+ version....so in my reckoning mvd implementation shouldn't take any special extra recording...its just a question of recreating the map from somebody elses pov....however in cpma which does have mvd u can only record mvd if ur spectating...im not sure y this is so and im pretty sure the answer will have something to do with the whole recreating/rendering issue...so i guess ill find out....

hopefully these questions are clear to you..cos a lot of my ramblings are totally unclear/easily misunderstood lol...

k i found part of the answer...the fact that u have to spectate to record multi-view is that the server doesnt send all info about enemies to players...for example if a server sends info of an enemy behind a wall then it would be ridiculous..on the other hand the server does send that info to a spectator...

however it should still be theoretically possible to recam to certain positions..altho the set of these positions is gonna be restricted because of the info u have...one of my friends in cpma tells me u can do this with some commands so im gonna ask somebody who knows to make movies..perhaps shaolin productions...

k..err...tried this stuff again..i just wanted to capture some screenshots of a mid air gauntlet....cg_thirdperson was too fucking painful to do so decided to try sdc and defrag...

sdc...i got the latest version which is 0.006...and it simply does not give me freecams...im guessing this is a compatibility issue between e+ demos and sdc....but then i tried it with some cpma demos and it still didnt work....mite be cos im a noob and havent figured something out....neways..ill try the older versions of sdc but im not hopeful....then i tried to actually record using sdc when on a server except i found you can only record demos using sdc if ur actually running the gameserver on ur system..cant do it as a client...gah...

defrag....err copied the demo into defrag and tried to find a good shot..but then ran into a wall..first off it doesnt support custom models in e+...it doesnt even support cpm models...boooooooooo....so im reduced to this model it automatically assigns for me...i use ranger with color 7aaa in e+ but it assigns me the default ranger model..not even red or blue..pffft...same goes for the other players on the map...all are assigned the default models corresponding to their e+ models....but this was ok....what was real weird was that when i play the demo some players keep disappearing and reappearing....lololol...that was real weird....

neways ill keep trying to find a way to do this....if this doesnt work out it would be real nice if we could make the next e+ version compatible with defrag or sdc...or perhaps we could adapt sdc to a recamming tool for e+...im prepared to put in work for this..except im gonna need help..in other words im prepared to do the shit work but i need someone to explain to me how i can go about doing this....

thanks...