believe it or not, this community needs people like shady too . without him and others this would be gettin pretty boring and stop saying he wasn't construtive at all .

About the way he expresses himself : i find it unique and maybe sometimes overreacts with storying what he had done 2 weeks before and the incoming ones to just say he is fine but that's good cause thats what separates us from animals, communication .

Deep down he has nice intentions and probably his jokes don't seem that 'good' to some but at least he has balls to say what really bothers him not like others said to asslick(using frog term) .

so defo. not a permanent ban . Tbh i don't know what happened in the last months if he was warned yet, but even though i wouldnt ban him permanent.

Who was the one to ban Shady? Spider. Who is arguing here for 3 pages? Not Spider. Does he care then? Not. Proves what? Shady most likely had point. Trolls scaring newcommers? Make this topic sticky, so every new guy around can see what he should be afraid of. Imo that's just owned. The only guys who pop up with something logical are called trolls..

i am not a shady fan but that was no reason to ban, unfortunately

i could list off many reasons on how you took it too literal and exaggerated but, that's annoying.

of course i do not know the forum rules (do they, did they ever exist/enforced besides for convenience?)

unfair ban in my book

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18:48:52 «aNk`ShadyAK» i advise you do... it's a crap game and every member of their redneck community is as big-headed and proud of their mod as skull here

Gave me a reason to boot his "constructive wery help" ass from this community.

PS, what channel did this happen in? If it was not e+ owned then that was not a valid ban. Also, it was done in an irc channel, not the forums, were the forum rules ever established and bridged to irc?

Heh i wanted to just ignore this whole thread and move on, but it's in the back of my head to make a few points clear (that and i still have beer left and a lot of people i talk to went to sleep =( ) so might as well reply.

(also this thread is long so a lot of people wont read any of it so here is the gist of it: i acknowledge wrongdoing then actually base my opinions with more opinions and explanations, but not denying and supporting my original statement)

no i was not. skull made a critical comment of asphyx (who is my ex-teammate from penis team btw) so i just replied a short quote from #cpmpickup. Just wanted to clear that up, i didnt randomly decide to "troll", i wrote something intended for skull (and threads end up go missing round here quite a lot) and the comment bout e+ was just part of it. Apart from considering the word "redneck" to be a racial slur, i don't think much else can be claimed there as something more than just an opinion. It could be justified, it could be not. Opinions are like that. I just wanted to clarify that before things are forced in my mouth.

And you tend to overanalyze things too much Spider. aNk consists of 27 members in a variety of games, both as a team or just partially playing with mates. (in past 2 months it would have been QL, CPM, Borderlands, Starcraft, LEft4Dead2 and Mario Kart Wii since we stopped playing Edawn and UrT), and we spend a lot less time than you think paying attention to plotting against e+. Frog (in the post above) provided links to aNk stats page and aNk logs page (here they are again Channel Stats: http://www.nordicbots.com/stats.php?cid=75730 Logs: http://www.nordicbots.com/log.php?cid=75730 ), you are free to yourself check both, or view logs (updated every day @ 00:00 gmt, with previous week's log being given) if u want to psychologically profile us or just check how much of our daily conversations are e+ related). We are a group of friends who get together like 5-6 evenings per week to talk stuff bout topics we share and play games together, that's it. There's no anti-e+ conspiracy.

Anyway, to the issue:

First of all, 2 of those "mod circle" (thats (c) madbringer, not me by the way) people you mentioned are still aNk members and good mares to me so not sure what you are implying there, especially considering that apart from those 2, Skinnis is my e+clanleader and i still keep in touch with zombies (talked to him few days ago), Wax i find allright and logical + he is my ex-clanleader and im pretty sure apart from some pro-Edawn periods of time in early summer, i hope Beast finds me ok. I actually like him, and even after my ban i suggested a bug cos i was playing e+ and wanted to help. I also invited him to my CPMA server to show examples. Cos i like the game. Nothing to do with community or who is in mod team or if they made offensive references to my family members 2 years ago.

So you can make all the innuendoes you want about me not liking Ali, Mow and Skull (and then eventually You Spider, through latter disagreements around august or september. Before that i considered you a neuteral-to-positive contact), but the truth and message is pretty clear, i guess if you make a disagreement then you aren't welcome here. Anyone who disagrees with above sentence is a troll like the aNk gang of trolls. Who should be ignored, etc.

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By the amount of ridiculing and sarcastic posts he made alone, any forum worth its salt would have banned him 2 years ago. This makes the irony of him complaining about redneck, close minded, forums even bigger. Nowhere would he be permitted to come back again and again to speak his mind like that.

Please don't generalise like that time someone who was typing full of rage pointed out "you have 4265+ TROLL posts" when they were upset around the Edawn saga. i've been here for what? 3-4 years and only the past few months were actually negative compared with having random arguments with people once a while. everyone has been through that if they stay around any game with a close community. Also most of the gaming communities/forums im part of accept sarcasm. And the majority of those communities actually enjoy/encourage it. Only one which tends to completely dislike and find it unacceptable is e+.

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The only common denominator of the people harassed by him and his gang was that they at one point or another had criticized him in person. The caricatures not only being way off were always directed at the wrong people- the idiot pole image painted of Fala & Terror is as far as you can come from the truth judging from their posts.

The only common denominator is that the people who i dared to disagree with or make innuendoes (must make another partition here: the Aliminium issue: there is a thread in e+ history book named "the inside jokes - aNk archives" which is from aNk private cirace september 09, when we added fala terror balrog ali mow and skullhead to our (the 3 pages large with all threads intact) private aNk forum, just to see what comes out of it)... and there is another example of a misunderstanding + racism card being thrown (surprising how Ronin/Yas who is Islamic himself failed to see anything offensive)... simply another case of misunderstanding. How a sarcastic comment of "must be Ali deleting Memphis's posts, [insert berber caliph vs spain comment and wikipedia link here] turned into me racist. Same case can be made with Mow through the power of private messages, where me making another innuendo during e+ vs edawn case where i called the driving force of e+ "Ku Klux E+" and a whole lot of misinterpretation went from there)... sorry tangent has been covered, so going back to the original point:

The only common denominator is that the people who i dared to disagree with or make innuendoes are the ones implying the ban. Quite scarily, people i actually DID have random arguments with (terror m8), Secret whose e5 league was put back by a few days cos of Memphisgate, JoeyB who i know only from one random freeze game where i was being a dick while defending Edawn in july are saying ban isn't objective. Im not actually trying to overturn the ban, just wanted to use that as a positive point. Another point is that terror you can actually call bad things both innuendo and normally and he will respond back likewise and points are being covered. At the end of the day, i can call his online persona a "random jerk with varying levels of sanity depending on level of intoxication" and him calling me that likewise but still go on about our routines and daily lives without any complication or losing any sleep. Or without death grudges. Cos it's a game forum not the Serious Excessive Innovation (TM) some of you guys make out to be. I'm just here out of a common interest and out of being around this community since 06.

i'd like to chip in here... why do you have it in for me so much? I seriously doubt you really buy into that "SHADY WAS TERRORISNG ZOMG FORUMS FOR 3 YEARS, 4000+ POSTS OF POISIN" yourself do you? We had some interesting warfare and history topics about WW2 for example, and i mean essays on par in content with what i have written here, and only disagreements i can think of are on these topics with u: trickz, edawn, trickz again, a joking reply to terror's idiot list (btw that was actually a nice diss, not the "FU CALL ME BAD NAME U R FORUM TERRORIST I BAN NOW"),some dude being banned, some other dude being banned and me calling you a hypocrite. Do you yourself consider a victim of "shady and his gang" based on those forum moments? cos in the end, as you said, "it's all personal" and "action and reaction", right?

Also i'd like to point out this: "CONSTANT TROLL" thing again... Last time i've checked the forum attachments thing, i had 5 pages of attachments and 3 and a half of those were PCW/CW screenshots or referee demos. And if i was an ignorant and disrepectful troll those 4 years, i wouldn't be here. I actually was a moderator here for like 6 months. In the times KO and SWE and DRT still existed round here. With constant admin forum updates. Me and madbringer actually had a loooong list of spambots in this forum. I like to think that i contributed positively to this place for a long time, so my time in excessive was fun for sure.

And after that, i'd like to say this: Edawn. And let me take a wild stab in the dark, a large proportion of my ban is due to me mentioning THAT mod on this forum. In fact, i only mentioned it due to some people here still thinking it is a taboo topic, and being enraged or deleting topics/threads based on the fact that Edawn has been mentioned. I heard Mow suggested a few weeks ago that anyone mentioning Edawn on these forums or compares it with e+ 2.0 deserves to get banned. I find that incredibely ridculous and smallminded. I mean the only 2 excessive mods. I mean shit, i actually tried to get Beast and Cyrax coding together considering similarities of project but it wasnt meant to happen cos of Beast favouring use of .dlls and few minor edawn vs e+ complications which happened thanks to smallmindnessness of both mods (basically spiderm8 alim8 mowlim8 and foksiem8) (p.s. this happened AFTER my first ban by the way) (p.p.s. i would like to give shoutouts to my bros Oleg and Matthew for making it this far! en taro adun, agp points for nigerians, devoid of soul hash pellets of warsaw shock3 arena, 5am drunk 1v1 ql battles with severe sleep deprivation, Kifflam! mr sandberg Xd plz stay with aNk we're more wery than msifnatic/NorthernDarkness bros, and also Phil who ctrl+f'ed here like big boy, <3 man and congrats to anyone bothered to read this far, it's 90% over and thanks i guess). After the postedawn thing, i'd like to point this out: mow hates me for 1 on-server joke gone bad and 3 misinterpretations. Ali hates me cos of Edawn and 2-3 topical jokes. Kee i don't know but im pretty sure i was banned from e+US server (big games have 1000+ servers, here you just mention "beer freeze", "camel's server" or "us server" and everyone know what you are talking about) so im pretty sure that peado joke didnt go to well .

Anyway, i have to say e+ was/is fun to visit as community and i still am drawn to parts of it (KS in e5/ZMB), just this openmindness of moderators and other games getting my attention when i have time to waste (read:6 days per week lolol and ), but i have been here a long time and lately i just show up once every 2-3 days when either hungover or bored) but there's still something bout this forum which makes me show up randomly and keep in touch. Negatively with some of you, positively with some others. I just find it somewhat wrong or upsetting that my time since 2006 has been drawn to "HATEFUL TROLL" only because of times since april when people just stuck to their excessive insignia like it was the middle ages (and if mow or ali think it's an innuendo towards e+, most edawn members have been equally stubborn too fyi).

as for the "troll" and the wery thing... it's mostly an aNk in-joke which is being used quite rarely among friends who understand the meaning but generalising seems the thing to do round here no matter if you have a banned mate or you don't. Final troll point: i'm quite new in CPM and frequent their pickup channel a lot cos i find those games fun and challenigng despite me being a horrible player and you can find me playing there most evenings. I try to learn from people and get the flow the game. Skull also shows up there from time to time, also with ambient results. Pretty sure he's the troll in there, and not me.

Which brings me to the FINAL point. I like and liked this mod for a long time, I don't play anymore cos of certain issues, mostly me not being welcome, partially to me not being suited to gameplay. I've been a positive contributor of community for 3 years, and a neutral(at best)-negative contributor for like 6 months. But seems it's the "NOW" matters the most. I remember only in febuary i was in some think-tank and ranking proposal team with spider,necro,me,epykoi and Beast (wasp coder beast ) on msn for like 6 hours proposing stuff. Glad to see i turned into xenophobic racist troll and e+ reached incredible highs in those times. I acknowledge i've been wrong and too personal at times, but i stand by my points regardless. Hope you find it in yourself not to delete a thread about someone who disagrees with you, and if i ever end up in a place where i'm adminning over an online community, criticism is welcome no matter how harsh. If it's too repetitive and monotone however, i'll just ignore it.And please don't "accidentally" delete this thread if you have any dignity left.

This post is sponsored by quakelive being out for 6 hours, Kronenboug1664 beer and excessive+. And hugs to anyone who reads all of it. Also big thanks to Clerks movie, ViewAskew and bearded guy who directed it personally cos halfway through writing this, i raged re-reading a post here and watched clerks (there was a clerks-related convo on IRC.ank so i watched), so wooo.

Xd plz, etc.