Should using of multi-weapons switch scripts be allowed?

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i hate sg + lg scripts and rail + sg + rail
it's not fair.

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it's not about gamma, volume , sensitivity ... it's about stuff like these:

binding Mouse 3 "weapon 1;+attack;wait21;-attack;wepon 2;-attack;wait11;+attack;wapon 3;attack;wait12;-atack;wait02';

it's about having 1 button to spam the server + changing weapons freely ..
why the guy that uses this kind of stuffs shouldn't be treated as a bot ? : \kick allbots

i have all the weapons on the keyboard ..i dont have long fingers either .. and somehow i managed to do something to switch them all .. and i dont use mouse keys for switching ..only 1 hand
1 2 3 4 q e r f g c v Alt and capslock those are the keys i use for the switch weapons Happy
you can get other keys ideas from this post :
http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/what-keys-do-you-normaly-use-for-movement (read comments)

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epsiplayer wrote:

it's not about gamma, volume , sensitivity ... it's about stuff like these:

binding Mouse 3 "weapon 1;+attack;wait21;-attack;wepon 2;-attack;wait11;+attack;wapon 3;attack;wait12;-atack;wait02';

it's about having 1 button to spam the server + changing weapons freely ..
why the guy that uses this kind of stuffs shouldn't be treated as a bot ? : \kick allbots

i have all the weapons on the keyboard ..i dont have long fingers either .. and somehow i managed to do something to switch them all .. and i dont use mouse keys for switching ..only 1 hand
1 2 3 4 q e r f g c v Alt and capslock those are the keys i use for the switch weapons Happy
you can get other keys ideas from this post :
http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/what-keys-do-you-normaly-use-for-movement (read comments)

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Actually those switching scripts are very uncomfortable when the switchtime is higher than 200 msec (like on plus), because /wait prevents the execution of ANY command, so you need to wait until the script stops executing to be able change your direction, jump, etc., the only thing you can do is to move your mouse. From my pov it just bring more problems than benefits, because with some practice you can switch as fast.

That's only about switching scripts tho, I don't have a position about scripts like rail/rocket jumps.

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It's amazing that people play this game for more than a few months, think of themselves as high skill (or even above intermediate) and know absolutely nothing about the vstr element and consider it a cheat - also amazes me that people would use something to give inhuman advantages in this mod where "inhuman" actions are performed every millisecond to begin with Happy

In comparison to VQ3 the weapons and movements of Excessive Plus mod allows for things that are above and beyond the original game - therefore why should anyone need more than what we have already? That's my opinion.

I use variable strings in my cfg for different sensitivity and crosshairs across different weapons, cycling through many different but similar chat strings (smilies of five different color combos on one key = a cheat? rofl), and tweaking stock console variables to my liking with one button press (FOV, gamma, sound volume, music volume, centerprint time, blood, picmip level, bilinear/trilinear, enemymodel, enemycolor, selfmodel, team model).

These things, anyone could do with a ton of buttons bound to each command. It's just more convenient to have it all on a small number of keys, grouped by similarity. Yet I get called a cheater just attempting to explain what they do Big grin Even when my skill is so sad and below what it was 2-3 years ago that it's like watching someone who's never played E+ before Big smile Ah well. C'est la vie, que sera sera.

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I have short fingers but a very long dick - so those keyboard buttons i cannot reach with my fingers, i use my dick to change Tongue

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-C4-ASURAN wrote:

I have short fingers but a very long dick - so those keyboard buttons i cannot reach with my fingers, i use my dick to change Tongue

ROFL. Asu Big grin

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epsiplayer wrote:


it's not about gamma, volume , sensitivity ... it's about stuff like these:

binding Mouse 3 "weapon 1;+attack;wait21;-attack;wepon 2;-attack;wait11;+attack;wapon 3;attack;wait12;-atack;wait02';....

http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/should-using-of-multi-weapons-switch-scripts-be-allowed?page=2#comment-296330

I never tried those jumps scripts, kinda strangely they look too me - then i think about them. I can't understand how do they can help on such a mod like e+ ?

Yes its true, that why i never consider this as cheat, there are good sides there are and uncomfortable things, so if something is using (even if they bring to them as they think advantage) those i don't think its problem to players who's not using and know how to play. I even cant say i who's using or not - too me that opponent makes no different him from others. I know how i move how i can aim. Player cannot be better if he do not understand principles where too improve. 

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ps* anubis, think a bit more.

you are a kinda nice person, isn't ?

NecrogeddoN wrote:

In comparison to VQ3 the weapons and movements of Excessive Plus mod allows for things that are above and beyond the original game...

http://www.excessiveplus.net/node/#comment-296378

Necro you cut your hair ? Omg so i doo.. OMG apokalypse is coming ? Cant believe that we did that ;D

Yes, people then they do not know what cool things those scripts can bring they consider them as cheats Happy. So that's why I'm suggested new section at documentation. That way - e+ can be even more cooler. Well we can not put those scripts like rocket/rail jumping or etc, there are other cool things, as mentioned !

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Anubis, all what skull wanted to say is, nobody is speaking about things like a "volume" or a "gamma" script. It is just you.

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hmm, i guess these are legal ?

( i dont use them, they belong to dementor )

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mow Q [EN] wrote:

Anubis, all what skull wanted to say is, nobody is speaking about things like a "volume" or a "gamma" script. It is just you.

ahemm, ups, OK thanks Happy

but anyway if  setup pb to forbid those (i think it's possible - yes ?), all those fancy things will not work too, isn't  ?

eu.jeff wrote:

hmm, i guess these are legal ?

yes i use something like that, and i do not thing that someone can forbid too use them, so relax Happy with that small sized font ;]

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