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The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
11. September 2005 - 3:51
#21
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
wrote:I think there is a total lack of knowledge surrounding correct Punk Buster managment, I do agree that most cheap game server providers cannot provide the band width or hardware needed for a full array of cvar check's and play without any lag. That's what you get when you opt for cheap servers or do not look at trimming down your cvar check's and the cycle of check's in line with your hardware and bandwidth.
If the key community admins had started how they meant to carry on and looked at providing a gaming environment with Punk Puster enabled then there would be no need to loose players, instead an environment has been created that is sub standard versus correct Punk Buster managment. Claiming that admin's are better than Punk Buster is just plain crazy, sure you can have a hunch as an experienced administrator the same as a well versed cheater can cheat without being detected.
They seem quite happy about it, so it really doesn't need any further discussion. I came here to make a point, you either accept my opinion or not but to deny that the key players within this community have dictated terms and conditions that are sub standard compared to what they could be is as crazy as saying I am the greatest Quake 3 player that ever lived.
The movers and shakers of the EX+ world dictate terms and conditions upon which to build a community and I am afraid you cannot get away from the fact that they have provided a sub standard regime of server administration upon which to build a community. (fact)
You either accept the above statement or not, if you choose not too then you are quite clearly blinded by your own arrogance.
Simple reply to your statement (very nicely put btw):
To have PB enabled or disabled makes a huge diff in getting your server populated!
If we dont accept YOUR statement we r "quite clearly blinded by your own arrogance."
Dude
11. September 2005 - 4:07
#22
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
I know nowt about running a server for games blah blah... However, most hate cheats and the like and so they are with you on the need for PB or such which can help make a fair game of it. Afterall, if you win/lose you want to feel that you did actually win/lose and not have the software do it for you. I agree that a small amount of lag between all is not a problem and getting used to it would make it imperceptible. It seems mostly a question of priorities - a fair game and a little lag or a dodgy game and a little less lag. I'll go for the former. What are people afraid of?
I did not know for quite some time of the 'enhancements' people make to their config files and still think they play legally. I call it dodgy ethics unless it is made known and available to all. There is a need for a common standard which all can be held to. Let's have skill as the deicder not 'configuring' or cheating. PB seems to be such a standard.
I just wanna play and have fun - on a level field. If I lose, so what! I can still have fun and feel that the best guy/gal's skill won on the day. I am saying that the hostility to PB is due to other things - not lag...
11. September 2005 - 4:51
#23
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
Hey Riot why don't you run a server first before you shoot your mouth off. Why should anyone listen to you?
11. September 2005 - 9:55
#24
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
Well - put ur own servers up - set pb on - and then u will see that mainly bots will be playing at such a server ... so have fun with daemia, orb, mr.gauntlet and so on. But u havent read other threads about punkbuster carefully as I suggested, so once again - plz read them. also - ppl that do provide community with servers are allowed to do with their own severs whatever they want - and in this manner - some of servers are pb 1 and some are pb 0 (most of them 
) - and I guess there are some welll motivated reasons behind.
11. September 2005 - 10:10
#25
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
wrote:I think there is a total lack of knowledge surrounding correct Punk Buster managment,[..]
yeap u r dam right, others ppl have much more experienced than servers owners/sponsors here that runing them by couple of years :roll:
11. September 2005 - 10:33
#27
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The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
wrote:Well - put ur own servers up - set pb on - and then u will see that mainly bots will be playing at such a server ... so have fun with daemia, orb, mr.gauntlet and so on. B
LoL at first they will be empty but believe me peeps start to come and ask for help auntil they get it right, now every night we have arround 12 - 16 players on a busy nigh I'd would say pretty good for a CTF PB sever with non standard cfg, but it takes time don't expect it to be crowded since first day it's all matter of patience and be willing to help the newcomers.
Also I consider every member of this comunity important so why some of you tell this guy to shut up? just because you don't like what he says, well that's not polite or even mature he is just expresing his opinnion and eveyone is entitled to it.
11. September 2005 - 10:34
#28
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
cose we all are cheaters u dont get it ?
yeap u rely dont get it ur teling ppl to be polite but u r not
11. September 2005 - 10:35
#29
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The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
so, u suggest, i have no idea how to run pb correctly? Dude, i run nearly since 3 years servers, with and without PB. Get out of here if u can call others just as stupid and dump, cause thats what u suggest with ur posts. BTW, we (EN and me) run our servers not just by a hoster, we run a rooty, with 100 percent admining through us, we setup all, and everything by ourself. PLS, stop insulting the admins in here.
11. September 2005 - 10:39
#30
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
wrote:Well - put ur own servers up - set pb on - and then u will see that mainly bots will be playing at such a server ... so have fun with daemia, orb, mr.gauntlet and so on. BLoL at first they will be empty but believe me peeps start to come and ask for help auntil they get it right, now every night we have arround 12 - 16 players on a busy nigh I'd would say pretty good for a CTF PB sever with non standard cfg, but it takes time don't expect it to be crowded since first day it's all matter of patience and be willing to help the newcomers.
Also I consider every member of this comunity important so why some of you tell this guy to shut up? just because you don't like what he says, well that's not polite or even mature he is just expresing his opinnion and eveyone is entitled to it.
No, i dont accept his posts, because he is calling me dump and other admins also.
btw, there are still 6 undetected hacks which i know.
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I might just do that, maybe, maybe not depends, will see.
It's funny you do not see me insulting anyone or running my mouth off I am just stating the fact's, if you cannot deal with the fact's that's your problem. Intelligent debate for issues that are right is not trolling but shouting at someone because you do not like what they have to say is.
Any idiot can type it is very easy to set up and write an EX+ Quake 3 server, EX+ is that brilliant a mod you even have full description's of how to do everything and a manual, what makes a good admin is one that set's standard's, to date there has been no move to set any standard's.
Bitch and moan all you like I know I am right, not because I am an ignorant fool but because the fact's speak for themselves, but as I said before you seem quite happy with the sub standard regime and are intent on keeping it that way, some may have to pose the question 'why?'