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The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
16. September 2005 - 8:20
#81
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The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
^ This man speaks the truth.
100% agreed.
16. September 2005 - 8:56
#82
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
hehehehe, truth ?
whwre is the truth ?
what is the truth ?
he is talking about what he think about it nothing else and im iven cant say he is tallk truth, the guy wona start revolution that was discust here around 100 times, and he is to layzy to serch these topics and read it,
all league games was played on punkbuster and pure enadbled (fact)
moust of servers are runing with disabled punkbuster and pure to bring here more freshmans (fact)
admins here are moust ways ppl on q3 comunity, that solvet meny problems with cheaters, track them and kill the worms, iven these undetected by PB (fact)
in this comunity chaters have no place they are detected lafed and baned for ever, if they try to come back they are just lafed and quick baned (fact)
this comunity is moust groving mod over q3 atm (fact)
why so change it ?
16. September 2005 - 11:13
#83
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
wrote:hehehehe, truth ?
whwre is the truth ?
what is the truth ?
he is talking about what he think about it nothing else and im iven cant say he is tallk truth, the guy wona start revolution that was discust here around 100 times, and he is to layzy to serch these topics and read it,
all league games was played on punkbuster and pure enadbled (fact)
moust of servers are runing with disabled punkbuster and pure to bring here more freshmans (fact)
admins here are moust ways ppl on q3 comunity, that solvet meny problems with cheaters, track them and kill the worms, iven these undetected by PB (fact)
in this comunity chaters have no place they are detected lafed and baned for ever, if they try to come back they are just lafed and quick baned (fact)
this comunity is moust groving mod over q3 atm (fact)
why so change it ?
^^ Best statement ever. Why change a winning solution.
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16. September 2005 - 12:28
#84
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
well hes not smart, ho is he going to play against when pb is on 
I just say it would bee verry boring on servers with pb on the
public servers and not many noobs.
The noobs is verry importent for this community
they are the ones making it grow.
So in my eyes he dount no anything about this.
Think hes a slow understander to and to lasy to read posts.
pb has being tryed many times. I dount drive empty servers
then i can stop doing this. 
But as the community growing ther might bee some
pb servers to in time. But not for now.
In most communitys the clan servers have pb enabled
think it might bee an good idea for this community to
atleast that some of them have. 
16. September 2005 - 15:58
#85
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
look. Ri0t, (I don't even know why you are still here if you don't want to be a part of the community but it's a free world, to an extent)
we're not mad at you for bringing up this topic.
It would be more sensible to have both pb and the admins at work...
BUT
the reason we are angry with you is you come from nowhere, and start insulting our admins, who btw, aren't just admins to us, they are our friends too.
There was no need to insult them. I believe if you had set this title to "Suggested improvement to all servers - Happiness is a pb away", or something similar, your idea would be welcomed, put forward, both the community and admins would have decided, and then something may or may not be done. You are obviously quite intelligent and literate, but when it came to trying to help this communtiy improve, you blew it with the title.
I read it, and came here ready to have a fight with you as best as possible.
I suggest that in future, take a more friendly approach, and you will be treated as you should and wish to be.
17. September 2005 - 8:17
#87
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
Well forgive me pals I havent read it all and in fact have no intention to. Im sick of seeing this subject being discussed again and again.
I thought we tried that lotta times and it simply did not work!
In another thread an admin wrote numbers about that.. I always like numbers rather than talking:
[code:1]Server usage before pb was arround 45-60 % (that's alot), with pb it went down to 1,5 %. [/code:1]
17. September 2005 - 8:42
#88
Mexico
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
Yeah those numbers came out after only 1 week of running the server, same happned to our server, and just now before writing this we had 12 players conected for more tha 2 hours with newbs coming and going some stay some others never come back, how are this numbers conclusive after only one week of test, it took us about 2 months to get the server crowded again and considerin that there are aonly 2 PB enabled server in America vs all the non PB ones that's a good number our server usually ranks on top 3 at nights cause that's when we get most players.
I want to make clear that just try to state some facts and not trying to force or convince anyone to go this or that way, some of you talk of facts and this are facts that you can't deny.
If every server werre PB enabled for lets say 2 months people would be forced to ask/learn how to update PB, it doesn't take more than 2 minutes, this brings me to anothe fact, I as admin and with help of some regulars from our server have helped many n00bs to setup PB and install the e+ mod and I can say that at least 60% of them are coming back to the server, so using the frase "n00bs wouldn't come" as excuse is not believable (excuse me for this) but it's not, given the time they will have to find out why they are being kicked.
As for resources consumed by PB well some times it lags a bit but just when you get connected, after one minute or max 2 it goes back to normal.
Anyways everyone runs and set standars for their own servers but calling names on someone because he dissagrees with you isn't nice nor poilite, he never insulted you but you took all this as an insult and it makes me think that some of you are way to sensitive to discuss this issues, this is a forum for all, where we get to say what we think, you are free to read and reply or just ignore but I don't see a legitimate reason to insult some other person because of his point of view.
17. September 2005 - 11:46
#89
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The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
wrote:Yeah those numbers came out after only 1 week of running the server, same happned to our server, and just now before writing this we had 12 players conected for more tha 2 hours with newbs coming and going some stay some others never come back, how are this numbers conclusive after only one week of test, it took us about 2 months to get the server crowded again and considerin that there are aonly 2 PB enabled server in America vs all the non PB ones that's a good number our server usually ranks on top 3 at nights cause that's when we get most players.
I want to make clear that just try to state some facts and not trying to force or convince anyone to go this or that way, some of you talk of facts and this are facts that you can't deny.
If every server werre PB enabled for lets say 2 months people would be forced to ask/learn how to update PB, it doesn't take more than 2 minutes, this brings me to anothe fact, I as admin and with help of some regulars from our server have helped many n00bs to setup PB and install the e+ mod and I can say that at least 60% of them are coming back to the server, so using the frase "n00bs wouldn't come" as excuse is not believable (excuse me for this) but it's not, given the time they will have to find out why they are being kicked.
As for resources consumed by PB well some times it lags a bit but just when you get connected, after one minute or max 2 it goes back to normal.
Anyways everyone runs and set standars for their own servers but calling names on someone because he dissagrees with you isn't nice nor poilite, he never insulted you but you took all this as an insult and it makes me think that some of you are way to sensitive to discuss this issues, this is a forum for all, where we get to say what we think, you are free to read and reply or just ignore but I don't see a legitimate reason to insult some other person because of his point of view.
the servers is running now 5 weeks with pb, and the numbers are still the same.
17. September 2005 - 13:21
#90
The Community Admins Set a Poor Standard
mmmh, i am a bit tyred about the smartass riot.
so, u r permantly talking about how cool and good pb is, so let's test ur knowledge about pb.
- how u can block a, by pb undetected cheat, as admin?
- what u can do, to make the file-veryfing of pb less laggy, client side and
serverside (this is the lag of pb at beginning of joining servers!)
this are 2, very simple, questions.
btw, ur comment "pb is blocking 99 % of cheaters" is totally wrong, if u wanna block 99 % of cheaters, u as admin have to be permantly up to date with undetected cheats, otherwise u block just 70 - 80 % of the cheaters, and this is the number of humen admining.
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There is no other way, the only way is an ADULT debte surrounding real issues based on TRUTH. If your an admin running a server without Punk Buster then you are setting a poor example and running a sub standard setup versus a server with Punk Buster.It's what I believe in, it's what I believe to be right and the TRUTH.
Dress it up how you like these are the fact's plain and simple. I have seen other's try with no success in fact the debate turn's out the same old flannel that I have heard here, couple that with name calling and you have a very good example of what ADULT debate is not.
If I had posted a topic called "Any admin who run's a server without PunkBuster enabled is a wan*er!" Then you would have ground's to moan, quite clearly I have not. I think a lot here are
1) Incapable of adult debate
2) Unable to accept the truth
The truth being (again for the tenth time)
"If you run a server without Punk Buster enabled then you are setting a poor example, Punk Buster offers a feature rich set of tools for admin's to use to detect nearly all cheater's it is also a far more superior way of administering a server than without."
Dress that up how you like, it still boil's down to a few thing's, if you love your Quake and are as dedicated to the cause as you make out to be then you will see why Punk Buster support's the industry as well as maintaining online gaming standard's for the community. Don't use Punk Buster and you set a bad example.
I think you just want thing's all your own way or a forum where everyone agree's with how you do thing's, unfortunately this forum is a medium for freedom of speech within the confines of the code of conduct, I have met the required standard's set out by the administrator's here, it's a shame the same cannot be said for other's, funnily enough it is the same people who are reluctant to set standard's on their server's as well.