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Unpure client detected
11. June 2014 - 1:08
As the title says, I got kicked on beer freezer this night by the server with the message "Unpure client detected". Therefore I also got banned on the server.
As far as I know, this is the case when someone is detected by the server for using cheats.
Since it's pointless to claim or disclaim cheating, I'll state these facts and ask few questions:
-I've never gotten this message before on any server. What are the things that can cause this to happen?
-I always play with PB on by default, set in the multiplayer menu.
-I use the same version of Quake 3 for 3 years(since I started playing here), never reinstalled it. The only changes I've made through this 3 years are in my configuration file, the several *.cfg files I use.
-Since I'm not familiar with the programming side of the Q3 files, or PC files in general, anyone who understands it please be my guest to go through my Q3 folder via TeamViewer or similar program, and search for any suspicious files.
*Of course most of the replies would be "Yes, sure, delete the cheats and someone will check ur folders, yeah, right".
However, I don't intend to hide or cover anything, due to a few things - I'm not a competitive teenager who craves for few frags more; my side of playing is for fun(though I am competing in CWs in leagues or cups when I can, due to the TS fun I'm having with my teammates, results never being a priority for my clan and teammates); I respect my clan and the people in it more than anything here, and therefore my Elite'Z tag too, which I would never think of adding even the slightest piece of dirt to it.
I'd appreciate any answers which would lead to detecting the cause of the problem.
Tnx, Johnin
Edit: I've searched through the forum for similar threads, and I think few extra facts can help:
- I got kicked after playing 3-4 maps without problems, and the kick was in the middle of the map, after 7-8 minutes of playing.
- After I got kicked, I couldn't reconnect to the server before I restarted the game, after which I connected without problems.
- During the 15-16 official matches I've played with PB and pure on, I've never experienced this.
- This is not the first time I play on Beer Freezer server, maybe around 10th time, though I haven't played there for several months or so.
- My auto download is on, but I haven't downloaded any new maps recently, since I play on same 3-4 servers only which don't have map additions in past several weeks(I've played on some CTF server but with normal Q3 gameplay like 10 days ago, all weapons and Q3 physics, and I found the server in the multiplayer menu server lists, but the maps were basic Q3 maps so no downloads from that one as well).
- The version of Q3 I use is downloaded from torrent, but like I said - I'm using it for more than 3 years without any problems, apart from occasional PC-freezes when I alt+enter the game). Also, I'm unable to connect to servers sometimes, which I solve with changing the cd-key(I change only 2 CD-keys everytime - all '2's and all '7's, and always works).
I hope this info is of some value.
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11. June 2014 - 1:52
#1
Re: Unpure client detected
11. June 2014 - 9:09
#2
Re: Unpure client detected
Did you drop after downloading map?
Unpure kicks always after downloading pak, something to do with checksumms. quit game and go in again (client restart) always fixes it
why ban? not sure, maybe you dont have a cdkey or its not valid, this causes guid to remain the same as when you last entered cdkey(entering cdkey calculates a new checksumm wich is used as cl_guid)
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11. June 2014 - 11:50
#4
Netherlands
Re: Unpure client detected
First of all Johnin, try to use a unique CD-Key.
The 222's and 7777's variant are going to give you more connection problems.
Many people use the torrent download version, also the cheating guys ....
This will give in many cases the same GUID, most of those are already in ban-files on public servers.
Only times i encounter Pure problems is when changing from a server to another (not all, and not always)
Looks like if i played a map on a server, and try to connect to another it encounters a different version of that map in a PAK file or something. Closing the game entirely, and start again solves this weird behaviour with me.
11. June 2014 - 12:03
#5
Re: Unpure client detected
wrote:First of all Johnin, try to use a unique CD-Key.
The 222's and 7777's variant are going to give you more connection problems.
Many people use the torrent download version, also the cheating guys ....
This will give in many cases the same GUID, most of those are already in ban-files on public servers.Only times i encounter Pure problems is when changing from a server to another (not all, and not always)
Looks like if i played a map on a server, and try to connect to another it encounters a different version of that map in a PAK file or something. Closing the game entirely, and start again solves this weird behavior with me.
I was trying to do so before, but the problems with being unable to connect to servers is more often, so that is the reason I switch between those two cd-keys, it's fastest, easier to remember and does the job 
I know about the map things, I've read some threads on the forum, that is why I noted that in the edited part of my first post. However, the kick took place after spending several minutes on the server playing without problems on ospra3map1, not at the beginning. And additionally, it is not the first time I play on Beer and on that particular map, even though it's been several months since the last time. So I doubt that is the cause of the problem.
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11. June 2014 - 13:40
#6
Re: Unpure client detected
try too to disable pb wen u play on public, like beerF.
check if u have doublon about pk3 and perhaps control maps too.
disable auodownload can help too.
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11. June 2014 - 17:28
#7
Germany
Re: Unpure client detected
11. June 2014 - 18:06
#8
Re: Unpure client detected
I've read that thread yesterday, when browsing the forum for finding a possible cause or solution. Still doesn't explain why I was playing the map for several minutes before I got kicked? If there were some differences in those pk files, shouldn't the server kick me immediately ?
Well, I'll make a short video today/tomorrow of me browsing through my Q3 folder and all of its subfolders and upload it so maybe someone will notice something uncharacteristic or potential issue causing files.
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11. June 2014 - 19:18
#9
Germany
Re: Unpure client detected
wrote:As the title says, I got kicked on beer freezer this night by the server with the message "Unpure client detected".
I bet the message appeared on reconnect.
wrote:Therefore I also got banned on the server.
If you can join the server now, the ban was not specific for you.
wrote:As far as I know, this is the case when someone is detected by the server for using cheats.
No, "Client dropped for being unpure. What it means?
It effectively means the client had at the moment of connecting more pk3s loaded then server, this is caused by entering a game before which caused more pk3's to be loaded."
wrote:Since it's pointless to claim or disclaim cheating, I'll state these facts and ask few questions:
You are not reported for cheating -> you are not a cheater.
wrote:-I've never gotten this message before on any server. What are the things that can cause this to happen?
anything from 1 to 0
wrote:-I always play with PB on by default, set in the multiplayer menu.
Beer doesn't use pb, so nothing to do with it.
wrote:-I use the same version of Quake 3 for 3 years(since I started playing here), never reinstalled it. The only changes I've made through this 3 years are in my configuration file, the several *.cfg files I use.
Either ur quake works (1) or doesn't (
There is nothing in between.
wrote:-Since I'm not familiar with the programming side of the Q3 files, or PC files in general, anyone who understands it please be my guest to go through my Q3 folder via TeamViewer or similar program, and search for any suspicious files.
*Of course most of the replies would be "Yes, sure, delete the cheats and someone will check ur folders, yeah, right".
no need.
wrote:I'd appreciate any answers which would lead to detecting the cause of the problem.
Server Admin shall send you the log of the kick.
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All of ur Questions are answered on some threads in the forum, most of them sticky.
11. June 2014 - 19:36
#10
United Kingdom
Re: Unpure client detected
see my post of a clean install here and compare with yours: http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/pure-and-clean-quake-iii-arena#comment-439958
sorry to hear you got banned for being dropped due to being 'unpure', thats silly imo, i got dropped from there alot on a random basis even though im pure, during/after a map change and no one said or did anything, just restarted the game and reconnected, then fine again for the rest of the session lol
hope the ban is removed if you're clean, unless its just your key in which case change it. gl
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I've mentioned that in the edited part of my post - no, I haven't downloaded a map prior to the kick. The kick occurred after playing 3-4 maps on the server, and I got kicked after few minutes playing on the map "ospra3map1". I've played on that map before without problems.
About the cd-keys, as I mentioned, I use only two cd-keys - all '7's and all '2's. I change between them when I can't connect to a server and always works. However, I haven't done that recently, maybe more than a month.
About the ban. After I got kicked, I had to restart the game so I can get back on the server. I re-joined and finished the map(remaining 7-8 mins) without problems, during which I was called cheater around 100 times by the players who were on server at the moment and being cursed around 50 times
. After the map finished, I got banned by someone on server.
"...War brings death... and wounds and pain to both sides... there's nothing harder to accept than the deaths of those you love... so you believe... they could never die... especially those who haven't known war... you try to find meaning in death... but... there's only pain... and hatred... that you don't know what to do with...dying like trash... neverending hatred... pain that never heals... that.. is war..." N.
