2.2b Backdoor?!
Oh guys, guess I will never find some time to work on the site. Pardon me, I am currently short on time and have no read the whole thread yet.
I am sorry for not paying enough attention to the APM development. It was obviously my responsibility. I should have seen that a debug interface like that would lead into problems.
I will consider to remove APM completely from the public build and only ship it to selected server admins, just like it has been before.
To get this discussion more on track, the answer to the topic title "backdoor?" is no. The data that can be accessed through this debug interface can also be extracted from a demo file, which would be only slightly less accurate. This just saves you the time and displays it in realtime. It does not contain any personal data. It is a pure rework of input data send to the server, how fast did you turn left, how much did you turn left etc. (simplified). It's purpose is to debug and to make the cheat detection more accurate over time.
If you really feel you lost control over your server, you can
blah cenz0red by Skull (tm)
for now.Concluding, some words about edy, as it really makes me sad when people do talk without knowledge. edy has never been kicked, neither by me nor by anyone else (as you can see on his title). He is simply inactive, I have not seen him in a while. I guess he got fed up by exactly such an attitude.
PS: I will read the whole thread asap and adjust/add to my reply, if there's need for that.
Smart easy as always
And i just said what i heard from edy
I wonder why Skull has the permission to moderate threads outside of ranking? Oh, well, skull, you pretty much help to calm down the people i see
aj, because Easy leaked more information then anyone else just in his post.
well, if u really wanna use that tool
and if u wanna convict cheaters,
u need to explain ur discission and PROVE it!-
then u have to reveal the existence of such a thing anyway!
this thing is certainly the reason,
why u cannot connect from baseq3 anymore ...
this is lol
dunno why, but ive read more post about this anti cheat system a few months back when skull first released information of an anti cheat is in the make / beta testing and already proven to be effective against certain situations..
so i wonder why a small group off ppl get paranoid about a small program that help us to get rid of those fucking cheaters ( majority of cheaters ) and now they are scared that private information is leaked to public, wonder why youre scared of private information beeing leaked, what kind of information would turn up i wonder...
but ok, i ask you, why did i know this program excisted already and why dont you guy's ?
i'm not in dev team or beta testing team nor have to do anything with those groups but yet i knew the program is there, maybe because i actualy read whats posted in this forum ? darn...
you guy's should embrase this program with 5 hands and not spit in the face of this small thing that gets cheaters more effective then a human must spend 100000 hours of watching demos and waste his/her time more when there is a program that does it for us !
Ty very much and now pls enjoy this GAME !
What you have done so far easy, is a mammoth task of work and I am sure that others have put in endless hours of consultation and testing. This (and i think i speak for 99.9% of this community) is wholly appreciated, you have given endless hours of fun, excitement, and the odd drama to thousands of people. I am positive that a lot more people would give their time and energy to help you develop the overall package if only just to say thank you for this great mod. I write this because your post has an underlying tone of dissapointment, whereas i cant do much to help, I can say that its a beautiful thing you have done.you cant make ommelettes without breaking a few eggs.
i wanted to say the same. I mean, i also found your (easys) timing with 2.0 (edawn) odd, but thats not really relevant anymore. since i am back and following the forums regularly i have only read well-written well-thought and most importantly believable statements from your side and i also appreciate what you and the other devs do for us.
ontopic:
i understand the turning point of when shox etc got angry was when skull gave a short answer that one could translate with "fuck off". i honestly can understand that it pissed you off and all the following actions based on that (except you could have tried to contact easy, but mb u did?).
a little bit more information for the admins (even after they found out by themselves) could have avoided this whole situation, if you think about that, its kinda sad.
again, the flamewar resulting out of this whole matter is just one more proof of how communication failure works, esp in this town. im proud of you guys.
this is lol
its not about the system but the backdoor which seems to be no backdoor.
i guess no one will have anything against a working anticheat program, its the way the devs handled the situation in the eyes of the server admnis by first not telling them about the socalled backdoor before and not giving any infos after they discovered it by themselves.
just to explain the situation for you, i for myself pretty much understand both sides (because im smart guy).
edit: added self irony
Rix, the dev was not even asked, it has directly gone public after they asked skull, who is not a dev and who will never be a dev in here.
i think the ones involved in creating this anticheat must communicate over this problem and get to a solution, try not to panic about the things that happen in here and stay on topic.
Pro & contra opinions are welcome.
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so i wonder why a small group off ppl get paranoid about a small program that help us to get rid of those fucking cheaters ( majority of cheaters ) and now they are scared that private information is leaked to public, wonder why youre scared of private information beeing leaked, what kind of information would turn up i wonder...
but ok, i ask you, why did i know this program excisted already and why dont you guy's ?
i'm not in dev team or beta testing team nor have to do anything with those groups but yet i knew the program is there, maybe because i actualy read whats posted in this forum ? darn...
Noone is paranoid about information being leaked to the public apart from skull. what people were saying is - "so a stranger access my server without my knowledge" I cant see how people would not think thats a concern to server owners.
there seems to be more paranoia in this community about cheaters than anything else, look at the cheaters threads ^^
and many people knew of the program after seeing "xaero has been dropped due to suspected cheating" appearig in the console.
the anticheat was never meant to be a hidden feature.