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and you should remember that cheats either have to be in a pk3
(texture based wallhacks mostly) or need to be hooked into q3, first can
be proven clean by pure and second by showing that I execute real
quake3 exe (imo its 1.32c and has 884 KB (905.216 Bytes) )

you also found evidence of cheats by simply watching demos from suspected cheaters in the past, right? did you scan their files on their harddrive or what's the point of this statement?
that would mean, that all your demo analysis you did so far, are simply meaningless, since you have to proof, that external files are involved.

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Also I planned bootcamping with triv few weeks ago, we just couldnt
figure a cheap way to do so. If you try to get me for cheating, you
aren't trying hard enough yet since i play with open cards while you
don't.

ah really? do you really think, that this is important here, whether you plan to arrange certain bootcamps or meetings with your mates at a sauna? nope, it doesn't and it's offtopic.
i'm not trying to get you for cheating, i think it is obvious and i'm not the only one, who shares this point of view. what about me, not playing with open cards? do you try to get me for cheating right now, while it is actually you, who hides stuff, backstabs people around you and acts like some ultra-elite-all-knowing kid? i will say it again, so that even you must understand it: stop accusing people without evidence.

your case here is different and its legit to discuss it, since violence posted these demos.
it also doesn't change the fact, whoever posted them, just in case that you come up now with statements like "only average players accuse me, while good players simply accept me as 1337" which is nothing more, than distraction from the topic.

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I am a professional E+ player considering the circumstances and if 'professional' is the right term.

Remember torzelan? he was professional sof2 gamer and did win prices
with it. - He was higher skilled then me both times, when he entered e+
and when he left it, meanwhile I learned my lesson thanks to him.

ofcourse i remember torzelan - i had nice conversations with him back in the days. you are right, he actually is / was a successful player and won certrain prices with gaming (SoF/QL etc.). but that is him and you are just someone else, who can't compete and obviously cheats in an arcade mod called excessive plus.

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Do not talk about cpma if you don't know what stuff is about. You are
better of there coming along with zero aim which at least showns them
you are worse then them in all perspectives.

i love the cocky way, you consider yourself as the all-knowing hotshot here again. ofcourse you know what i am playing and what nicks i use in different games. like i said before, you are absolutely not in the position to judge anyone due to your lack of knowledge. i know though, that ppl laughed about you @ #cpmpickup for example.

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Every cheat is based upon the game, not the code and both follow the laws of a computer, 0 or 1.

Knowing the idea of how something works doesn't mean you know how its
done, lets take a car motor for example, you all know it burns fuel by
gasing it into cylinders and light it. That still doesn't mean you could
rebuild it, but for detecting if its a car motor, it is enough.

My 'rebuild' knowledge is done by pb, punkbuster actively scans for
cheatcode within memory for example and knows how its structure,
therefor it just can find structures it knows, so it won't detect a
customhack. To solve this problem we Invented E+ apm - where panda was
coder while I (and other good e+ players like camel fala mirc etc)
analysed the output and input.

Furthermore all my posts are based upon logic, you NEVER have to trust, you just have to understand.

all you are saying here is: accept my logic as it is the only truth. don't question it, i'm the law of e+. nothing to add.

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Actually you mix something up here, its your duty to proof me cheating,
you have to actually find proofs within demo and logically differ them
from being human skills or cheat. Noone of you guys did so yet. As soon
as you do, you need admins to accept it to make it true.

that's a complete different approach, compared to your way to deal with cheaters: usually you want THEM to proof, that they are not cheating, since you found something suspicous about them and accused them afterwards. now you want to be treated, like it normally should be? why would ppl accept this? the burden of proof will stay on your side.

i also know ppl who banned you for cheating from their servers and they are more reliable than you will ever be.

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I read since weeks that skull would cheat. What i haven't seen is a solid argumentation (which is necassary as long you have no pb-proof).

What i see is "personal" vendetta and alot of envy about skill, by shox and d4 cheaters, accusations built on much words but without any content. Even a pupil from secondary school is able to argue in a better way.

why would i envy him? i just can't stand, that he acts like he is the ultimate hotshot. he also accused ppl without any pb proof and it finally lead to a ban. that is okay then, cuz it's skull who "busted" them.
i don't know how you would compare me to a pupil? i just did, what skull did for a long period, and its unnecessary to hold his hand here.

this is funny, skull provides and accusers fail in everything... use ur brain pls

ps. skull wtf why do you take the time to reply to this nonsense ? or are you that bored ?

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you also found evidence of cheats by simply watching demos from suspected cheaters in the past, right? did you scan their files on their harddrive or what's the point of this statement?
that would mean, that all your demo analysis you did so far, are simply meaningless, since you have to proof, that external files are involved.

Aj forgot I didn't introduce you into the basics, sorry

Watching demos is important, they are the only thing you can totally analyse of a past since they are lossless records. And furthermore they don't take much disk space so they are the basics of everything.

Now if you accuse somebody with a demo, he can basically say that was no cheat, since nothing was specified like we had with d1s/wit/snygg in past and some other random rather obvious autoshoots.

Then its the accusers turn to actually provide a clear situation people can discuss about. By discussion, most stuff gets solved already as seen in past with paradise as we had a punkbuster screenshot were the people I asked for their opinion and myself couldn't explain the 'extra' values, it was solved the moment somebody came up with a valid and due to case circumstances 100% perfect explanation, case was rested and I am well aware that I did NOT think of that possibility. Paradise back then did his common flame defense instead of coming up with any sort of explanation.

If the discussion fails, next step is to cam your screen and/or depending on the circumstances of the demo, play under max anticheat settings. You guys refused to do so as I invited you to zmb war.
Since you can not do a camera record of a past action, you need to replicate same skill while making a video of your own screen, by violence posting link to the demo of overkill he recorded he approved so my skill was high enough to represent the skill out of the other demos.

Conclusion, you can base stuff upon demos as long as the explanations are good, for people like trickz (who got accused by people like asc and I was asked to analyse the demos) I cam to the conclusion that those demos do NOT contain enough suspicious moments to actually 'win' any discussion about him 'cheating' or with other words, no logic I could think off would make me come to the conclusion he cheats, therefor he is clean in my opinion.

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ah really? do you really think, that this is important here, whether you plan to arrange certain bootcamps or meetings with your mates at a sauna? nope, it doesn't and it's offtopic.

Oh, it just shows 1 aspect, I am not afraid of something like that - which would instantly bust any customhack.

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i'm not trying to get you for cheating, i think it is obvious and i'm not the only one, who shares this point of view.

I have to admit, you are one of the first to have the balls to stand up in the open - However every1 could have done so all time and noone can be banned for accusing someone of cheating. Most people in E+ are happy to link me some demos over or ask me about stuff considering some players instead of posting. I could kinda say blindly, if its about other players, they come to me and if its about me, they ask others. If its like that it really is funny then.

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what about me, not playing with open cards? do you try to get me for cheating right now, while it is actually you, who hides stuff, backstabs people around you and acts like some ultra-elite-all-knowing kid? i will say it again, so that even you must understand it: stop accusing people without evidence.

I am saying you are saying I cheat but not saying why, ergo leaving me no real chance of defending myself, thats why I go for the standard defense procedure used in ANY game considering critical players. As torz said 3 years ago, cam over the shoulder and all are happy.

Evidence? Evidence is everything that proofs an outside programm.

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your case here is different and its legit to discuss it, since violence posted these demos.

I never stated it isn't legit.

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it also doesn't change the fact, whoever posted them, just in case that you come up now with statements like "only average players accuse me, while good players simply accept me as 1337" which is nothing more, than distraction from the topic.

It matters in the prejustice, if people take demo, they watch it, analyze it and come to a conclusion, depending on how good a player is he can explain stuff or can not. Means, a good player probably wouldn't have posted a demo at all. Especially if there are signs of wallhack fail/no reactions to enemys which could be seen through a wall. And if he isn't sure about something, people can always ask imo.

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ofcourse i remember torzelan - i had nice conversations with him back in the days. you are right, he actually is / was a successful player and won certrain prices with gaming (SoF/QL etc.). but that is him and you are just someone else, who can't compete and obviously cheats in an arcade mod called excessive plus.

Just 2 facts I stated elsewhere already, Torzelan was better as me and didn't think I cheat, while sametime he gave me tipps of how he does things (I simply asked him). Btw, there is no mod in q3 which makes cheaters as obvious as E+, since it pushes cheats to its limits. I would go so far to actually claim E+ atm is one of the games which has less then 10 hackers in it.

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i love the cocky way, you consider yourself as the all-knowing hotshot here again. ofcourse you know what i am playing and what nicks i use in different games. like i said before, you are absolutely not in the position to judge anyone due to your lack of knowledge. i know though, that ppl laughed about you @ #cpmpickup for example.

And sametime I also got accused 1-2 times for cheating within a pickup, one case was solved via demo and other wasn't picked up. Another one was fixed as we found out cnq3 doesn't display rail humming right and therefor my enemy had zero knowledge about my position while I always had knowledge about where he is due to cpm netcode.

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all you are saying here is: accept my logic as it is the only truth. don't question it, i'm the law of e+. nothing to add.

I am not the law of e+, I quit those laws I could do especially because I DO know some people don't trust me, for the better of the community. All I am saying is that if my logic is logical, everyone should be capable to came to the same result as long as he thinks long enough.

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that's a complete different approach, compared to your way to deal with cheaters: usually you want THEM to proof, that they are not cheating, since you found something suspicous about them and accused them afterwards. now you want to be treated, like it normally should be? why would ppl accept this? the burden of proof will stay on your side.

Zzzz, I post demo, if it isn't obvious/logical to everyone I start showing off concrete situations, comparisons and logic based argumentations about why somebody cheats, good example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V4JRoNtIrI

You call my demo analysis worthless? What is that then?

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i also know ppl who banned you for cheating from their servers and they are more reliable than you will ever be.

O'rly? can't remember being banned in any server of e+ who had a reliable admin, neither I know of you playing in any other community with me then e+.

added last video.

Now its your turn to come up with anything shox, good luck.

Back to my point, ric ffa admins support wallhacking for anybody who has rcon there because they do not want to change to 2.2b due to unknown unexplainable reasons.