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Mow,

I see it like this: i am a cfg-noob. So, when i log on on a server and see it is PLUS-based, i stay...otherwise i leave (exept for DS server

so to me it is perfect that small modifications on PLUS cfg is still recognizable in its new name.

I would be proud if others feel inspired by "my" cfg...

I hate to see so many respectful people loose the subject and fall into sarcasm just for a name when no offence was meant...regardless who is right or wrong...

Kx

well i promised to both , mow and warner to be quite and dont say anything about this discussion but after read kickz´s post i have to say that she said the only coherent thing in all this ...she hates to see respectfull people losing the subject and i have to say that i feel sad when i see that, its a pitty and more cause all this sounds so selfish for both parts, all that u guys do is for the comunity so stop this please and ignore each other as u guys said

IMO *if* the "zoo_" is put before the "plus" it's ok. With a little explaination in the readme that the config is based on plus.cfg.

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With a little explaination in the readme that the config is based on plus.cfg.

"THIS FILE IS AN EDITED PLUS.CFG"
"changes: 5 instead of 4 multijumps, switchtime of 1xx, gibs 1"

these are the first lines of readme, and these sentences were in there from the beginning.

there is a multijump bug

if ur jumping into the air with all multijump u have one ground jump + 4 airjumps

if ur falling down of something without jumping u have +5 airjumps

both are 4 multijumps

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BTW, should everything stated in the readme be followed to be allowed to use the config?

YES.

I can't believe you guys. You should be grateful Mow decided to make this config public. Instead, you whine because, in return for the right to freely use it, he asks to change it's name, if modified, to something that would not be associated with the original.

Bloody cheek. That's your respect? lol....

Agreed ! :salute:

Now stop this bs. If you change the content of the PLUS cfg plz....just change the name into just ZOO cfg then,how hard can that be, OMFG

We already did?
Keep yourself informed - or just read the whole thread before posting. If you can't be arsed to read all of it, you are free to share your thoughts, though at least I would like for those to be anything but a "how hard can that be, OMFG".

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rofl, point of view? Mine first "PRIVATE" message was neither polite nor impolite, it was factual.

You should know by now, that due to ANSI's character, it is not possible to tranfer feelings into a post.
Saying something like:
"i dont wanna be an ass, but plus = mow, hq, flex

and not warnerman."
Can be interpreted in an offending way - basically you claim WarnerMan to have "taken" the config from hq, flex and you, by indicating that it is not his. That could be interpreted as calling him a thief.
Whether that was intentional or not is completely unimportant at this point - WarnerMan however, understood it in his own way (and I can understand his point-of-view on that matter).

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if u change anything in plus.cfg u r not allowed to keep the name plus.cfg, so "zoo-plus.cfg" is not correct.

I actually bothered to download the config and accompanying README-file, here is a quote out of it:

Now, where exactly does it state that "zoo_plus.cfg" is not allowed? English is my second language, but I'm fairly confident in my knowledge of the language. All you state is, for people not to name it "plus.cfg" after they have changed anything in it. Anything but "plus.cfg" goes.
At this point, I could call you a liar - just how you did with WarnerMan - I however, don't like picking on trivia (trivia being not you, but rather the "lie" you told, as "zoo-plus.cfg" is correct).

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@mowly, i just can see that u lost easily the control of ur self and thats all.

Yes, I lost the control in my third private message. The reason for that is your Ignorance and self-complacent acts.

He merely wanted for you to take another tone, as WarnerMan didn't understand why you'd talk to him in an "impolite" way. The point above can be understood as impolite. Doesn't have to be, but can be (in this case again, I can understand WarnerMan's point-of-view).

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1.-u sugestt me that i m a thief when say plus = blabla bla and not warnerman.
What u thought? i wanted to rob ur work? this line was unnecesary more if this was te first pm.

I suggest you? I suggest to change name, that what someone can suggest, or you can suggest a new forumadmin, or u can suggest improvements for plus.cfg but u can't suggest someone to be a thief.

This is what some people would call a statement of a "grammar-nazi." Well, I agree with you however - WarnerMan has obviously problems with his english vocabulary (surprise!)
You should try to replace the "sugestt me" with "claim" (my personal favourite).

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In order to interpret my first PM, that I call you thief, someone must have a lot of fantasy and inventor-spirit.

I like the "The legend of Condor Hero" trilogy... I guess you could say I have a lot of fantasy.

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2.-Im not hypocrite just because i have diferent feeling than u in some kind of things

No, that not, you are hypocritical because you made a mistake, and shift the mistake onto me.

Yes, WarnerMan has made the "mistake" of interpreting your PM in a different way and not reading the readme carefully as he/Regel has named the modified configuration "plus.cfg". This however, has long been taken care of. What other mistake are you refering to?

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3.- Im not a egoist, i told that u call me idion and I specified not only to me.

If you feel addressed with the plural of Idiots, then that proves that I was just correct.

Sorry if I am missing something, but where exactly did the "plural of Idiots" appear? If you are refering to the "plural of Idiots" from your PM, please take a closer look at it:

I AM FUCKING TYRED TO DEFEND MY OUR WORK AGAINST EACH IDIOT.

if all is going on llike now, i will be soon far away from this community, and all can be happy, that that idiot my has left!

I do not see any such thing as a "plural of Idiots" - nor do I see a plural of idiot. What I do see however, is you saying that you are tired to defend your work against "each idiot". I don't have to point out that this statement can be interpreted in exactly the way WarnerMan did, do I?

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4.-Im not an IDIOT.

any proves?

Are you trying to argue, or just to insult?

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5.-Im dont tell lies NEVER MAN, i just maybe said hard trues.

Fact is, I did not call you thief. I did not warn you. Subsequent, You are a liar.

A questionable fact, as it can (and due to humans nature: will) be interpreted in many ways. Subsequently WarnerMan is not a liar.

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6.-Im feel u warning me telling me u dont make any jojes about that, i respect the others word and if u asking me in a good way u will have a fast answer. when u talk with a gentleman U dont need to be hard in ur words to be sure he will get ur point. in this way ur prhase souded more like an Order. Can u understand that? maybe u like ppl talk to u in this way but im not.

You have the problem that you can not deal with facts. As I wrote above already, I was not either polite or impolite, nor it was not a order nor a command. It was simply only factual. Even after that I declared that more than 1 time how it was was meant, you stay with your sense. Do you know the word constructive? You are the opposite.

Constructive would have been something like:
"Hey WarnerMan,
I noticed you did not rename the "plus.cfg" you are using on your server to something else after changing values in it.
As the plus.cfg represents a standard configuration for the e+ community, I'd ask you to change the name of the config to something different, so the original plus.cfg is not mixed up with your modified version.
This is also stated as a "rule of use" in the readme.

Thank you,
mo*ly"
Furthermore, can you explain to me, how a statement like:
"really, i dont make any jokes."
is a fact? Experience with different people in my life tells me a statement like that can be interpreted as a threat - and is often used as such... but oh well, maybe it is just me who went through pleasant and unpleasant experiences in life.

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7.- The zoo_plus was not just a simple fake warnerman. its not so easy u must think that ppl do thinks in a meditated form.

I do not condemn the config, I condemn you, since the mistake comes from you and not from me. You did not pay attention to the Readme and persist as a donkey onto the GNU-Licensing.

The GNU-Licensing was WarnerMan's excuse for not changing the name of the "plus.cfg" and I believe this excuse does make sense. Fact is, the readme asked to do otherwise and that seems to have been overlooked.
I don't think donkey's are usually persistant and would as thus, understand your line as an insult - calling WarnerMan a "donkey".

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8.- Maybe all this would not hapened If i saked u to add some changes to the ctf config AND if u just try in a meditated and friendly way.

Not maybe, but for sure.

And expect not, that all people put their head in yours ass, because you just think they are supposed to kiss your hand before they speak to you.

If you do not take any functionalism, then you should repeat the second year in the kindergarten. In this time the difference is taught the children in Germany between politeness, inpolitness and functionalism. Ass creeping, however, not.

Hmm? Nothing of this would have happened for sure? Why didn't you "try in a meditated and friendly way" then?

I'd like to think my "constructive" example above is far from putting my head into someone's ass.

Yeah, right - want me to tell you what I learned in one of those german kindergardens? Learn to use your fist, or ass-creep some kid who already did.

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9.- Maybe I just could obey the "Order" but im not a sheep man.

Any proves ur r not? There was no order. You should enlarge your horizon urgently.

A threat (see my explanation on that further above) can be understood as an order, as not obeying would usually cause problems.

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In resume, the name of the file as u can see was not my really problem, i dont hope any more a good reaction from u to me but it will be good. I dont going to tell that i dont care about u, if i tell this i would say a lie.

Here you attempt in a simple way to stand above me. But in the opposite to you, I stand what I said, with all consequences.

The only problem (which is still persisting it seems) was to rename the file to something without "plus" in it. WarnerMan stated already a page or two back, that he'd do that if normally asked to do so. Having said that, I don't see where WarnerMan is trying to "stand above" you. Then again, I'm not an ethologist, maybe I'm missing something.

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In addition you have offend against the principle of the plus cfg. The plus.cfg is called plus.cfg, because it does nto refer to a clan, person or team.

With the name zoo-plus.cfg the config refers to zoo.

Where did the "the principle of the plus cfg" pop out of?

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But since you do not read any readmes generally, you can no know that. Ignorance does not protect against punishment.

From what I can tell, WarnerMan is not the only one who has not read the readme. From what I have observed, it seems you don't really know its contents yourself (as investigated above).

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equi, i am curios, what is the sense, quoting my whole post without any comments?

if it has not a special reason, i suggest that i delete this quote, but ill let it there untill tomorrow evening or until your reply.

He is probably amazed at your post. In whatever way. Though I guess that is something he should tell you himself.

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fact 2 - mow first pm was not unpolite, and ffs I dont know how one could even bring up the idea with thieves unless its a severe paranoia. However I can agree that the pm with "idiot" stuff (despite it was not namely directed to warner) could be taken as offensive, but we have no knowledge what was warner's response before

When I was small, I was scared after watching "X-Files" and ran up into my room and hid from all sorta aliens. Maybe I still have that paranoia in me.

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fact 3 - from some historical topics (like kicking warner from c4 serv) one can already get the knowledge bout warnerman and his usual policy of going with his problems public, crying and moaning - so well this shouldnt be treated really seriously

It is not WarnerMan "crying and moaning". He is merely trying to make clear to Mow, that he doesn't want to be treated as a fiend. On top of that, I don't see where WarnerMan went public with his problems... wasn't all of this started by Mow?

No, I am not WarnerMan's lawyer. Nor did he ask me to write this here. I am his friend though. Nevertheless, I didn't even want to bother with this piece o' crap, but after reading your (edit: mows) post filled with insults and false facts, I simply could not stop myself. I don't like calling people names or insult them by stating a wrong/ambiguous fact (in your case: calling WarnerMan a liar) and that is the ultimate reason for this post.

There is no conclusion whatsoever - don't bother searching for it.

Bye bee,
Joreji