Gameconfig-Nameabusing!
Quote:And well, why im not respectfull to use plus?Because he asked in the readme to change the name of the config if you in any way modified it. Secondly, that if you use a modified config and call it plus, you make ppl believe they are playing the unmodified version. I don't have to tell you this is bad. This, btw, is also in the readme. I can see you haven't taken the time to read it
lol...
if i didnt read the readme, our config still named plus.cfg, cause i read it
i had to renamed to zoo_plus.cfg AND zoo_plus is NOT IQUAL plus.
I decided to keep bouth names cause 1.- i respect their job (same as they/he in the first add a thans to mullder) so i wanted to keep it if i was not respectful i easyly can delet all comments in the files , make my changes make the name and share this conf as ZOO members work config. Now is easy to all know that this config is based on plus, and if any ask me to the confg can see the comments (original ones) and our changes (with comments too) I really insist to all who want to join developer world to read a generic GNU licence to know a little more about the open source world. and 2.- Cause is practic , u can know how style of config u will get, like when u join a excessiver config u know is so similar to excesive5.
And i will tell one more thing i really really dont need to use the config name, im a profesional developer and really know how it works, i did it this way because i think it was the better to all but dont have any problem if mowlly or flex come and ask me in a good and friendly way , warner please can u omit the word plus? on our config file.
but if he send me a pm warning me and telling me things like i dont make jokes, i CANT take this as a friendly way.
so for the momenth the original name was changed as said in the comments files, and it will be this way until i consider things are diferent.
Grettings
boring :roll:
BTW, should everything stated in the readme be followed to be allowed to use the config?
YES.
I can't believe you guys. You should be grateful Mow decided to make this config public. Instead, you whine because, in return for the right to freely use it, he asks to change it's name, if modified, to something that would not be associated with the original.
Bloody cheek. That's your respect? lol....
oh c'mon guys.
first of all, i dont know if you read it, mad, its name is changed to "zoo_plus.cfg". i already told you why we did that and why we think its the best for every player visiting the server.
second, we (at least have big respect of mow's work for the community by hosting servers, publicing that conf etc etc.
therefore everybody should see where the origin of zoo_plus.cfg with its really ridicolous little changes is and what type of conf is played on this server.
well, we simply thought its name was "changed enough" by adding zoo (which btw indicates ctf-based changes to the conf) to its name. obviously you dont think so. it wasnt meant as "no respect" or as a provocation but as most friendly and easy for every player...
ill go and change the name of the conf later (if warner agrees, but i hope so...).
regards (and hopefully "peace"),
*regel* aka FlyingPenguin
@regel hi dude, definetly u have better english than me and is more easy to u explain which was our intentions about the name, thx to explain it .
Ok, i will do my last try to explain my feelings about this.
as I said before, i dont habe problem to change the name to another, the situation is this:
1.- We renamed the file as it sais in the coments, and we decided to use this name for respect the job of plus conf creators, i mean and is important, we decided this with really GOOD INTENTIONS. Never to rob their work, and because we dont have respect. this is the true.
2.- The first day i get the servers up i received a pm from mowly, i dont like the idea to publish here all the content of pms, so i just going to express the things he told to me and i cant understand:
plus config = mowly , flex , hq and not warnerman. .... change it...
i dont make any jokes. with this 2 sentences he is calling me thief, and warning me about he dont make any jokes.
I dont know which class of ppl he think i am, but i really dont like this way to ask me to change the name, but well i get really impacted after that so i answer him somthing like: i changed the name maybe u miss somthing please be more specific. today i dont have any pm answer to that.
3.- One day i come here and read (using original plus config not that warnerman fake) this is ofessinve directly to me. If as he said he send me a pm and ask me why im including plus in the name, im in a friendly way explain to him and if he prefers to change the name i will doit. Dont know maybe somthing like: Hello Warner (because he neither said hello in this pm)i saw that u recently get up urs servers, hope gl to u and hf with it.
I saw too that u renamed the name plus.cfg to zoo_plus.cfg, i dont know why u decided to make this way but please change it, zoo.cfg or the name what ur team prefer but not includ plus in the sentence.
I promise that i had acted imidiatly in a good way.
So after all this i just have to react, asking a little respect to me, because i did this with good intentions, just that, a little respect and friendly ways to take the things. i dont know others but is very important to me.
I hope this text will be understandable, because i writed with the best intentions to clarify the things and to come ahead with relations.
Im open to change the name, just please taking the things in another way.
@mowly ok i underestand what u explained about mull and u & u and me.
and yes u have true i dont thought in the posibility to ask u for some changes in the config, u know, after all this time u and me never having a good relation, so i suposed u will tell me not. But if u are open to make some changes as u said, i can send it to u in a pm. im open to work in this direction u sugested. But if i try to understand ur points why u never do the same with mines. im not a man who have alwys right, u can read in many many of my post about urs i recongice the points im agree but u never. So try to undertand and i hope u can have another reaction with me.
Greetings
I guess I might throw in my two cents worth as well.
Now I'm not sure whether this issue is already resolved or not, so please spare me should I just rub it in.
Basically I can't quite understand where the problem with "zoo_plus.cfg" lies. Common sense would tell pretty much anyone joining the server that the server's configuration is not "plus.cfg", but rather "zoo_plus.cfg"---obviously indicating some changes to the original, while still maintaining the majority of the settings from "plus.cfg".
I seriously can't see where that is bad, as there are so many very different configurations. I believe maintaining the name of the "mother"-configuration in the inheritor would give most people an immediate idea of what the config is like.
Furthermore, I believe too, that it is merely common sense to pay respect to the creators of a config, by not simply "copy&pasting" the contents and renaming the config to something purely unrelated, but rather by keeping some sorta note to the original. Which, in the end, is pretty much what WarnerMan did.
Well, I didn't read the readme---so god knows I have no idea what is stated in it; I am however, very sure that should WarnerMan/Regel have overlooked something, they'd gladly change it if normally asked to do so.
Simply attacking them without any try to persuasion won't do you any good. The defending party might just get stubborn and tell you off until you learn proper mannerism.
As for making suggestions to the "plus.cfg" team---I wouldn't want to wait until someone acknowledges the changes I suggested; patience surely isn't a friend for any of us. The "zoo_config.cfg" was just created because we'd like to play a somewhat different config---now.
My TotD (Tip of the Day, heh):
Forget the past shit and start over man. WarnerMan has already done the first step in his last post...
Maybe i mised somthing but i have the impression that this posts /treath was moved to here for any reason... :roll:
do im wrong? i always toght that this conversations was maked as a part of another treath..
Greetings
warnerman:
Maybe i mised somthing but i have the impression that this posts /treath was moved to here for any reason... :roll:
do im wrong? i always toght that this conversations was maked as a part of another treath..Greetings
its looks so
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im dint realy care about development and copyrights of plus.cfg, i tried to be helpful and make changes that will suit players here, also couse im havent time to put mine heand in this work no more couse of personal problems and lack of time, true is im maked it closer to vq3 settings couse somtimes i do play over lan with froints an osp and i foud osp promode 1 as a ruler for dmg and weapon balance. In mine eyes what mowly did with flex are top of the pros work in it.
Im dint read readme, and have similar arguments as warenman now, against mulle in past, so im clerly do understand why warenmad do like kep in the name "plus" and im dont see it as negative thing if he maked proper explenation inside of the cfg "readme" ore "info" file, in mine eyes waren tried inform players they will gona play plus based config nothing more but he defenitly should pointed out changes he madet in "redme"
hoever mowly see it deferent and has 100% right for that, iven if u waren feled ofended u should not trying to fight against mowly, u based yors work on mowlys so u need his agregment and so he making favret for u not u for him.... u dont have same rights if u use for yors work someone other work....
eye for eye, teth for teth in name of what? yors "thinking independon" ?
in poland we have these few words for describe that kind of sytuations
"u tried to bite heand that feading u"
so do not expect u will be tracted with respect if u dint showed u got some for person with who u do talk, and this person has a right to tract u from upside couse u broke rules...
I only will sugest to u to read any GNU licence
u realy should do read it by yorself waren, basing on a GNU license u may use source of someone work but u cant use thier project name if they pointed that out in that license couse it is someones trademark not yors...
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its wierd sytuation couse plus.cfg were made by people for people, basing on players sugestions, waren maked new cfg (other standard) and on the forum are few topics that comunity do like make "ONE" cfg
again insted put work together ppl split therselfs and they will say they wana have one solid standard, thats comedy.....
btw equlibrium multijump: 4 gives u in action 5 jumps as u wana......
couse: u got 1 standard jump and 4 multijumps in sumary "5"
what im can say ?
ppl do expres thierself and they do not exacly know about what they do talk
for me whole these flying should have ben remove long tieme ago ']
I didnt warned u in anyway.
I only said "Really, i don't make any jokes" to clear out, that that why i ask you for is serious!
HQ, Flex and me had a research of more than 3 months, having conversations with douzands of people who are arround on 2!S Servers what can be improved. We tested it for hours if we changed settings, before it became public.
And as i stated out before, plus.cfg wouldnt excist if mulle wouldnt be such an egoistic phlegmat.
Btw, i had a similliar fight with mulle like u have now with me when 1.03 came out. The switchtime of bro.cfg was unplayable, switchtime of 0 ms! Many people asked mulle to change it fast (just changing an command) and we already had worked in advance, so he could have changed it quickly untill he would have had a better solution. But he dont reacted, so i mad a temporary config called bro-switch.cfg. This would have been just a temporary solution untill mulle would have made his new config. But no, he came to shoutbox and blamed me 1 and a half day long with words u dont even know. This was the beginning of plus.cfg (earlier 2sconfig).
Maybe it would have become different if i would have asked mulle directly if i can make a temporary solution with bro-name in config name, but he was not reachable for me and i took that risk.
So, u didnt even came on the idea to ask hq, flex or me, u didnt even come to the idea, to suggest new settings for plus.cfg. As for ctf it wouldnt have been a big prob to change it ctf-only related. You just came on the idea to be a man who has always right.