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To call any of this cheating is insane IMHO. All the features you are asking about are open for anyone to modify. If having a non-standard model is cheating then why do so many sites offer models for q3? Do they all hope to spread cheating to the world? NO. This is not a tournament site, and the servers are not tourney servers. Therefore anyone can use any model they choose. Fragbox DOES NOT IMPROVE AIM. Take it from me. I use it. It does improve FPS and visibility (due to xp_enemycolor ONLY)

I won't stop using it because it is in NO WAY a cheat. If forceenemymodel can be used, tankJr could easily be the model chosen. This means that the odds of hitting the model is the same. I have tried it both ways, and the only gain is in FPS, not in aimability. I am no better now than when I started using fragbox.. ask anyone I play with.

If you say that you haven't modified xp_enemymodel, xp_enemycolor, or r_picmip after playing e+ for a few weeks, I would call you a liar. Everyone who has posted in here has at some time used these BUILT IN CFG OPTIONS. If you haven't, tough crap, you didn't read the docs or the forum.

I learned about forcemodels from playing on the MR freeze and DEEX servers when people kept using invisible skins.. someone said "force player models" another said "open your q3config.cfg and change xp_enemymodel "" to xp_enemymodel "model/TankJr" " I did this for a long time until I found out about colors.. I used them for a while too because I saw it on the screenshots from e+ so SURELY IT ISN'T CHEATING! Then last I found fragbox.. It lowered my FPS when using it, so I started using it along with lower video settings and guess what, I started improving. I was not instantly better, just had the ability to actually play because my machine can now handle quake 3 the way I have it set up.

I question why some of you people are calling any of these features cheats.. Is it because more people are finding out about it and you no longer seem as good at the game as you once were? Or is it that you just can't figure the stuff out for yourself? Whatever the reason, I think all of you people calling these options cheats have bad sportsmanship.

Play baseq3 (locally) if you don't like people modifying their settings...

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deferent hitbox is defenityly cheat

nonstandard model, u get adventage, u r cheater

HQ READ AND STOP LYING:

http://forums.excessiveplus.net/viewtopic.php?p=19656#19656

that is your thread. You admit to modifying a standard model to be easier to see. So you are doing the same thing. Don't call it a cheat using non-standard models. If you modify a standard model in ANY way, it is no longer a standard model, and is the same "cheat" that you blame on fragbox.

Umm.. If it was a bug wouldn't ID have fixed it themselves? Yes.

It is no longer standard if it is modified. Don't try to make him right. He says himself that pure servers will kick you for doing this. That makes it non-standard, and therefore, the same exact issue.

darklord you have PM.