Cheater Report Discussion

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rUnThEoN?!
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is it just me or do we have a lack of demos for jabs?

hurrenson: "This idiot is apparently not familiar with a rail/sniper style."

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I play this game for over 10 years. Shox plays close to 10 years. I was told i played
vs cheaters all my q3 live and didn’t even know about it. (I know cause the
clanleader simply said, when he quit q3, the whole clan was cheating).I was not
suspicious about them cause they were apparently good cheaters and i simply
thought they were just good.(that was years ago even before e+).
Some of you know i don’t play bad either. My mindset, like Rix says, is good to. Its
experience of the game (I’ve been called cheater a lot too). I don’t know skull
to well but i know Nite very well. I never thought he hacked. He plays even
longer then me, so lots of experience. (He plays god-like if you don’t know
him).
But then Jabs came out of nowhere like Shox said. First noob then suddenly he was very
good. First time ever i recorded some1 and looked it back with wh. Not just
shots like in the movie were suspicious, but also his way of movements didn’t
make any sense at all. When the enemy was visible for wh he waited or walked
the other way to get a better advantage. That can be luck few times but not every
time, i don’t buy that. Me and Shox still make mistakes or get surprised by the
enemy sometimes, eventho we have much experience and our mindset is not bad.
I also have to say i checked Nite the same way. There were so many times i thought he
had wallhack but there was always a reasonable explanation for it. Me and Shox
analysed both Nite and Jabs carefully. Since were are not stupid we could find explanations
for all Nite’s actions.
For example: he was getting on jumppad and aimed at enemy at the other side of the
map on the second floor and shot him at the second he could see him. Now that
kinda shots make u think he has wh for sure. But since we are not stupid we
noticed after analysing that he aims in that direction every time even when
there is no enemy.
We’ve been looking for such explanations for both Jabs and Nite. We could find them
for Nite but never for Jabs. Jabs does everything randomly and never had the
same way of doing things. Like me and other good players aim at certain points
at certain maps before we can see the enemy cause experience says from that
point its easy to kill fast. Jabs is random every corner with different aiming
or movements depending on where the enemy is by speccing with wh (sound doesn’t
play a role here).
This statement (what is impossible to prove on video), his 'lucky' shots, his
missing experience and his improvement tells me he is a cheater. He came here
as a big noob and suddenly became pro. Plus i definitely see much difference on
his skill after Shox told him we think he cheats, he became less better again.
I know about the spawns, (gun)sounds, timing, even timing when killing the enemy his
spawn time and the time he needs to get to a certain point to kill him again
(this is pure an experience skill), different game styles, tactics etc. So I know
how to analyse demo’s.
The video is just a small piece of the puzzle what can be proved.
We analysed the demo’s with at least 2 experienced players. And we came to the
conclusion that his actions didn’t make sense at all. With other words: he
cheats.
It’s not that we want to ban him. In fact we gave him a second change. We think Jabs is
a nice guy and can easily play without hax. But since he wouldn’t listen, the
fun for us in this game when he is around is over. We don’t trust him anymore.

Jabs if you still claim to be innocent, you should play counterstrike-source on pro
mode and kill the Ninja’s in Pyjama’s in a 1-man-clan, because then you are the most
talented 1st-person-shooter gamer I’ve seen.

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burP wrote:

I was not
suspicious about them cause they were apparently good cheaters and i simply
thought they were just good.
[...]
Not just shots like in the movie were suspicious, but also his way of movements didn’t
make any sense at all.
[...]
So I know how to analyse demo’s.

so ur xp_analysedemoskill = 1 and is maxlevel?
I always would be cautios to claim that you are expert in demo analysis, when ur obviously not the suspicious by character - No offense though.

burP wrote:

Jabs if you still claim to be innocent, you should play counterstrike-source on pro
mode and kill the Ninja’s in Pyjama’s in a 1-man-clan, because then you are the most
talented 1st-person-shooter gamer I’ve seen.

if else do that XYZ... bla bla
Stop the may possible cases - especially if you demand physical impossible stuff.
Any Cheater report needs a demo with a short description of the when and why.
Then the Person in charge of decision for the stuff you care about either says, yes, its hax (which moves the need to proof something to the "cheater") or he says thats not detailed or reasoned enough for anything.
For example if you want a person officially in E+ forum to be called a cheater, the person is mostly the rank mod. This person has defined when someone matches the criterium cheater.
If you want someone banned on a server, the admin of the server is the person for all that. Back in the days, admins matched rank criteria and people played only on servers with admins doing a fair job.

Thats also why its no use report for rus rail here, admin isnt around.

hurrenson: "This idiot is apparently not familiar with a rail/sniper style."

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:


For example if you want a person officially in E+ forum to be called a cheater, the person is mostly the rank mod. This person has defined when someone matches the criterium cheater.

to me it makes no difference whether he is called a cheater here on this forum or not. it wasn't supposed to be carried out to the public in the first place. but remember where you heard it first, if you guys smell something fishy about jabs.

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not reporting automaticly leads to no punishment.

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so ur xp_analysedemoskill = 1 and is maxlevel?

I'm from the cg_commands time. Based on my experience and if you also mean spectatorskill. Then yes my cg_analysedemoskill = 1 maxlevel. But if we talk in xp_ commands i would say my xp_analysedemoskill = 2 ultimate level.
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rUnThEoN?! wrote:
[/]I always would be cautios to claim that you are expert in demo analysis, when ur obviously not the suspicious by character - No offense though.

Not sure if i understand "the suspicious by character"

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burP wrote:

Jabs if you still claim to be innocent, you should play counterstrike-source on pro
mode and kill the Ninja’s in Pyjama’s in a 1-man-clan, because then you are the most
talented 1st-person-shooter gamer I’ve seen.

if else do that XYZ... bla bla

Your right its not nice to say it like that, but im serious. If he still claims so, he shouldnt waste his time on quake but on a pro game where he can earn serious money

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

not reporting automaticly leads to no punishment.

We stopped that doing for a real long time here on this forum , and you know also the reason why we have our own platform for this ... and it gives us less stress and meh blah meh too

We 'wash our Own laundry' only in this case jabs asked us what we are talking about and he acted ike he didnt had any clue

Due democracy and reorganistation on our adminside and kindness of shox (because jabs was a cool guy) he got away with it at that time ,

but now this story became public im afraid theres no other way to execute a delayed punishment

cheers

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i know all of that hammer and im fine with it, because it takes to much time explaining stuff to idiots. Happy
but if you look at cheaters like a pawlow dog, u will get what I mean, its no use if they just continue on every other server with what they do.

hurrenson: "This idiot is apparently not familiar with a rail/sniper style."

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wasn't comparing jabs to skull in terms of skill or anything, just the way he talks reminds me of the times skull was accused and it made no sense to me at all.
i really cant tell anything about the rapid skill improvement though as ive only seen jabs playing on beer.freeze and he always occured to me as another average player, no suspicious activtiy at all, also def no "pro player" just avg skill not too bad not too good.

also when i started e+ ive been playing lots of clan arena and before ca i played years vs bots so i also had a very steep learning curve in the beginning of my e+ times, just had to get used to the specific gameplay.
mb that could explain a rapid skill increase? i have no idea what jabs did before e+.

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alright, been banned, thx for the games and hf..

you might as well end this discussion