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Why the fuck would anyone ban Zack fron anything, ever? He's like the nicest guy in the history of the universe.

Also, lol @ 1.16.

Lol madman i dunno if there was sacarsm in this post but I ain't no saint (come to think of it where is that guy?) anyway this Turk guy did this to many people as you can read by shady'ak's post http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/q3-reloaded-3v3-noghost-cup-2012 I ultimately think I was banned for being a known sociate of shady'ak (soz brohiem).

Dear Alr, since it has been proven you are new in quake and have no idea what you are talking about in regards to Quake3 mods and communities I will tell you how things happen round here.

First and foremost, you can take all your links about Larry Flynt and Porn Mailers in 1973 California and shove them up your ass, since first of all US commercial law would only apply should you be hosted in the USA. Second of all, because there was no pornographic content placed. Third of all, this is an example of how a real gaming portal (something which your Q3RETARDED franchise tries so hard to be) handled those memorials: http://esreality.com/post/2287109/q3reloaded-memorials/ (including Zack's)

No bans, no probation, no negativity from admins. I did get a message from Demiurge about removing the gallery from RLDD newsfeed which I did, and he actually commended me on the quality of some of the memorials (Despite being sarcastic in public), and some [+] dropped in. You just wanted to remove a team which mocked you openly so you made an excuse. And you even banned other people involved with me when I told you that I don't want to commentate on your matches under your tag and the reloaded twitch channel.

A member of that team told you to "fuck off" when you were protecting your friend's clan in a match arrangement dispute. You were being unfair on the team, so the player complained. When you gave him a yellow card for complaining, you gave him a red card. Then, driven by stupidity and vengeance, you gave an ultimatum to both a team of nqe (gaara's clan) members and even of lost club (funteam) members to kick Gaara from the xfire groups for nqe and lost clan, or you will remove them from clan. Of course, they stood up for their friend and you banned them.

So basically you admit to banning people that criticize you or Q3 Reloaded (and in poor Zack's and LostClan's and nqe's case, just being a friend or a clanmate who criticized you). Well shucks no wonder people criticize you: you're a faggot who bans people who disagree with him or even write negative shit about your "website", your forum looks like it was done by a 12 year old, content is questionable and your streams are the worst I've seen in 4 years (both config-wise and especially the commentating) so yea, there.

You sure are on the right track by banning e+ moderators and members of [13]/RSQT/Sneaky/Bananaclan/Elitez (basically already making a negative impression on clanmamebers of a large portion of e+ clans), admitting that you are petty and ban whole clans cos a member told you to "fuck off", for making constructive criticism or just taking your website lightly, and much much more. GOOD LUCK BUDDY!

I guess this is where I would write something like "yeah braw you're banned for life from Clanbase/ Kuh3Liga" but as a volunteer professional in real quake portals that bring players together, professionalism still has to prevail and banning people you personally don't like is not professional, even if you do consider them cunts, you still have to treat them with equality, neutrality and respect. One day you'll grow up (I mean that metaphorically, Mr PHD student with a wife and 2 kids) and understand that basically appealing to a small niche of q3 temporarily is all good, but when you have no idea what to do with other, all-weapon aspect of q3 (while pretending to represent them) and slowly alienating the noghost community with your stupid decisions, that support will be dwindling))

Till then, best of luck (outside your website since you can't just ban critics that mock you or disagree with you)
Regards,
ShaAK

p.s. Get fucked

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Normally I am known for my long posts, but this time it is different.

You are free to have a tourney using excessiveplus mod.
You are not free to have a tourney with excessiveplus community.

I'm sorry wat?

I may not agree with the guy, but his principle in this case is correct: it's up to each clan/player to decide whether or not they want to enter. It's never a "community" decision, it's always up to the mode/config/gametype/who the organisers are. "Communities" should never be given the "free/not free to participate" boat. For example, I may think this guy (TurkAlper) is a total moreng and will fuck up any ettempts to estabilish a successful cup over this mod (seems he already has), same as when MNC got an e+ ladder on ESL failed when only hyper, BR(aft) and unity joined within 1 month, but in both cases the creator (TurkAlper and mnc in this case) should be able to advertise/talk about it. Yes, it will not be efficient or useless but they have an opportunity to talk about it and invite people.

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Stuff works different here and besides all war I had with shady we never would ban each other from a tournament.

True that. We rarely play together or participate in the other one's cups, and don't like each other, however we still treat each other fairly. (Kinda like that whole thing I mentioned in my first post about being a clanbase/kuh3liga admin, and you need to throw personal preference out of the window and treat anyone fairly from a neuteral point of view. To become a clanbase admin you even need to do a 20 question, essay-style interview to judge your ability of equal treatment and reflection on the game/community you are covering for, which then will be judged by their hr people as well as the head of the game you are applying for. But I digress.

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Only times Shady banned me was cuz of his hobo stupid ideas, where he didn't behave any better then you.

I'm sorry, wat?
Out of all cups I recall hosting, organising or supervising, that were open to the public/that you could sign up for (so not counting Dvorac duel cup series, internal aNk, xXx, ZMB and DA competitions and one-day cups), I can only ever recall these following tournaments:

1) Christmas 2006 2v2 Fuckabout Cup
2) E+ Nations Cup 2008
3) Edawn Freeze Tournament 2009
4) Clanbase OpenCup TDM Fall 2011
5) Clanbase OpenCup CTF Fall 2011
6) Clanbase OpenCup CA Fall 2011
7) Clanbase iCTF nations cup 2012
Kuh3Liga.de QL CTF Summer cup 2012

^ out of those ones, you only signed up for the nations cup 08, which I didnt ban you. In fact I reffereed the Russia-Ger 1/2 (or 1/4 final) match. So check your facts about bans/etc.

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If you plan to organize a E+ tourney, you need to copy the rules we tested out over year, tweaked them so they allow us a large bandwidth of players regardless of their reputation.

If he plans to organize an E+ tourney, he could implement any rule he deems reasonable, as long as he has a base of operation for the cup, scores and useful links. That's what you need, and then it's up to each participant to sign up. If your community is inactive and with an almost completely devoid of cups and a declining playerbase, then you can increase your cup demands and still watch the signups piling up. Once again, it won't be physically possible considering the circumstances and the fact the admin in this case is fucked in the head, but the option shouldn't be restricted nonetheless.

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I am sorry, but my argumenting skills leak a bit lately. What I mean is everyone follows where he has influence. We have influence in E+ rules, so people like it. They don't have influence in Anticheat - they hate it.

I thought you were implying that, but had to make sure. Essentially we agree on this point too.

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We have influence in E+ rules, so people like it. They don't have influence in Anticheat - they hate it.

Current influence within an existing community should not be a determening factor. Ability and adequacy can normally be determined after a few conversations, and professionals with true grit will be revealed. Sometimes, little known but ambitious people could do excellent jobs. For example, AVALON was a div2-3 CA clan in 2009-10, but they hosted excellent ra3 and QL CA cups, and supported player stats for K : D and dmg stats for every division and provided excellent promotionals and coverage. When Mr Florin emerged in lvl^, they became excellent and the best QL commentators emerged, and he got other business opportunities and truly emerged in the world of game streaming. There are billion of examples and everyone starts small.

And regardless, anticheat is not essential towards a growing competition, in a matured and competitive environment, they just aren't needed (like so many other q3 mods and variations of quake), as the cheaters will sooner or later

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