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17. August 2007 - 21:49
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Intel had that implemented about 10 years ago, but AMD was the first one to come up with a processor based entirely on 64-bit technology, that is true 
. Their ideas are based mostly on Intel's ideas and I don't blame them for that. They are a promising company and I'm sure in about 10 years AMD will be able to come up with technologies that will make Intel copy some of their ideas. What I am trying to say is that both processor brands are almost the same today, they are small differences and I think each of us should use whichever they like, depending on their needs.
However, you can't state that AMD rocks and Intel sucks because it's just like saying Excessive rocks but Quake sucks
First a statement about why Pentium's technology can be used to develop processors of more than 5Ghz:
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The Pentium 4’s architecture must therefore be seen from a longer-term perspective. Intel expects to be able to scale up the design to work at clock frequencies of up to 5-10 GHz. In the “Prescott” version of Pentium 4, the pipeline was increased further to 31 stages.AMD’s 32 bit Athlon line can barely make it much above a clock frequency of 2 GHz, because of the short pipeline. In comparison, the Pentium 4 is almost ”light years” ahead.
Here is the statement that proves that Intel had the 64 bit technology implemented since 1997 or something like that:
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The previous editions of the Pentium (like the other 32 bit processors) had two types of register: One for 32-bit integers, and one for 80-bit decimal numbers. With MMX we saw the introduction of a special 64-bit integer register which works in league with the new MMX instructions. The idea was (and is) that multimedia programs should exploit the MMX instructions. Programs have to be “written for” MMX, in order to utilise the new system.
Notice the 64 bit integer register - this is the 64 bit technolgy today in a very primitive way I would say.
17. August 2007 - 23:09
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Is a stock '76 Pinto better than a '88 Civic with modified exhaust? Hmmm... 
18. August 2007 - 5:54
#14
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wrote:it was help by AMD user to AMD userIntel sux
Buhahah, nice one
And the 2000 Mhz FSB from Intel should be a clue that they dont like to fool around:P. Intel's Pentium 4 is the only processor which can go up to 10 Ghz because of its long pipeline. AMD's microprocessors can't even go to half this freqency with their tech. Looks like they must copy Intel... again
Intel Inside forever! Kill your AMD, come buy Intel processors.
youre wrong mate. mmx, sse and others instructions was implemented into amd processors because of compatibility. Not because are the best. And because of ppl like you, who feel fear to buy amd and stays with intel. Its reason why intel have main part of processors marketplace. So if you want to make a compatible processors, you have to add this instructions in (like AMD). And dont remember that AMD was company, who had ever processors with more power. It was from first Athlons (versus PIII) to Amd64 (vs PIV). Now if is there xcore processors is situation different and now is power in hands of intel. Thats all. BTW dont remember who came with DDR first. AMD. Intel comes with RIMM. Do you remember to it? Haha. Intel came with DDR year after AMD. And AMD was the first processor which was fully compatible between 32 and 64 bit environment.
18. August 2007 - 9:03
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i also have to add, that amd processors have another structure then intel processors.
amd procesors have a shorter connection to the ram, wich make the processors a lot faster in programs wich need ram, like games.
18. August 2007 - 18:35
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I'm not sure you know the situation with MMX, beazt. First of all, AMD started as a Intel processor producer and all their processors are based on Intel's ones for starters.
Then about the MMX. They were not forced to add compatibility to MMX, everyone makes a choice. Motorola does not support MMX on its processors and many others don't as far as I know. AMD did that just to improve their awful K6 processors that were considered too slow to even be compared to a Pentium. In time they did something that Intel has copied too: the 3D now!. But this is where AMD's smartness stops. From this point, they focused on developing cheap processors, mostly for gamers by improving the floating point coprocessor effectiveness.
I'm sure these two companies get along very nice and I heard lately their processors look 99% the same so I guess our talks are useless.
And I really like the Intel processor names. I always wanted a Xeon just because it sounds so damn cool. I just read the specifications of the Xeon and I was OMG so I think I'm going to get one because it sounds and acts better than the Pentium. Or maybe a Core2 Duo. That sounds even cooler .
I didn't know that AMD's RAM are closer to the processor. That's something really weird and of course it brings great improvements but I can't imagine how they did that because this means there is no room for a big cooler.
And for better graphics, I suggest a great graphics card, the processor doesn't help too much and neither does the RAM (except if you really like to have a big Graphics Aperture Size). The tendency is to take all the load from the CPU and put in on the GPU when it comes to graphics calculation.
Peace now! (Intel rocks)
18. August 2007 - 18:37
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Germany
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wrote:
I didn't know that AMD's RAM are closer to the processor. That's something really weird and of course it brings great improvements but I can't imagine how they did that because this means there is no room for a big cooler.
it isnt that the ram is nearer, its more about the transport of the data, lemme look if i still got the article somewhere, then i gonna post some detailed infos.
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cant find it now, if i remember right, it was about that intel let the data run over a hyper terminal (something like that) while amd did it a lot more directly, wich incrased gaming performance.
18. August 2007 - 19:03
#18
Czech Republic
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amd implemented ram controller into cpu. Normally is/was ram controller integrated on motherboard.
18. August 2007 - 19:14
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That sounds quit nice, but I still think that smart caches will always be better than any kind of FSB/memory overclocking or any memory controller. With a big L2 and a L3 it would be dumb not to have a 100% cache hit ratio. An regarding this, Intel really sucks for not increasing that L1 cache. The Sempron has a 64K L1, while P4 has only 20K and it's quite difficult to beat their speed under these circumstances.
Back on-topic: Did you decide on what you will buy, Unreal?
I've also got a question: Do you guys know any decent graphics card that will run on my AGP 4x system? The only one I know is GeForce Fx 5900 but I can't seem to find a new one (1-2 years old) that will actually run on my motherboard 
18. August 2007 - 19:22
#20
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wrote:That sounds quit nice, but I still think that smart caches will always be better than any kind of FSB/memory overclocking or any memory controller. With a big L2 and a L3 it would be dumb not to have a 100% cache hit ratio. An regarding this, Intel really sucks for not increasing that L1 cache. The Sempron has a 64K L1, while P4 has only 20K and it's quite difficult to beat their speed under these circumstances.
Back on-topic: Did you decide on what you will buy, Unreal?
I've also got a question: Do you guys know any decent graphics card that will run on my AGP 4x system?
well, i would recommend wait 1-2 months and save a bit more money, if ur good with looking for prices, u can upgrade ur mobo,cpu,cooler and gfx in one.
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nvm... before Core Quadro, AMD Athlon 64 was more effective. Now the best processor is from Intel... and will be more swith on leader position...
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