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There's not much 'we' can do. Imo only way E+ can be brought back to full activity (or saved from death, depends on how you look at it) is a new version, + some changes to the more popular configs.

Igree 100%

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I can't agree with you. E+ WAS very strong community, small but very opened, gentle, in other words great community. When I come. Unfortunately now is not a same as was 2 years a go. Everybody was full of positive energy, like one small family.

That was like magnet for me. E+ server was first q3 server online on which I play my first q3 game. I spot link on www.excessiveplus.net, I come here and stay. I never even try other mod... Because I was so surprised how great community is...

So, in my humble opinion. It is not matter what people play, it is matter of gathering. Kids can play simplest and stupidest game in real life, but if friendship is great, everybody will have good time and motive to stay together. Why E+ losing members is IMHO bad atmosphere in E+ community.

That's all nice, but -

1) Most of the people that do play E+ barely ever even visit this forum.
2) The amount of people that indeed left active E+ life after having episodes on the forum can be counted on the fingers of maybe two hands.

So, bzzt, wrong. E+ is an old, not actively supported mod, for an old game. People get bored and leave. It happened in other games, it happens here.

Offer them money

I tried to introduce e+ to some friends in real life but noone really liked it cause it is too difficult for them. It is difficult for newbies to have the will to continue.I remember when I started,anyone who could perform bfg shots and nades were like god in my eyes and if I wasn't for my love of quake3 I wouldn't continue and develop some skills .

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Also you know that we have no dev team ( i dont belive that old one will do somthing usefull in neares 10 years).
So we need a new dev teams and code of e+ , but this question was allready opend when 1.04b was frozen...we have no people who can dev mode.
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This is exactly what I think. Although the game is old, you can add new functionality to it if you have the source. I use some programs that have more than 30 years of history - they are open and grow along with growing user's demands. AFAIK E+ is not a commercial piece of software, nobody will gain anything from keeping the source closed. I can't believe the developers of e+ don't see it - they are about to kill the mod this way. Open Source is the only way for such project to survive if there is no company pumping money into it. I'm not so long in this community, don't know much about its strength changing in time, but what the community is now can be a good starting point for decent development. I've heard such argument against releasing the sources some time ago: "If the sources were open, everyone would have created his own mod, and e+ would have disappeared", which is a nonsense. This way everyone would speak different language. It's trivial, but development of linux is a proof that openness does really work. Even q3 sources were freed, ioquake3 grows well, most Urban Terror servers (if not all) use it.

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the number of players on servers hasnt dropped, some leaving some coming.

thx to glizda and camel for that.

You forget Hypernite and Tarasbuljba. Their servers have generated a whole new breed of regular players. just check out Borg,Project 9, Beer server.