why not finishing your discussion via pm ? lol
I think the no for the proposal is coming out after that we bring and explained other ways to solve the prob. 4v4 is a bad idea that will make bigger problems than solving the little ones.

Im glad to see 3vs3 is wining ;]

I voted 3v3
Regards

This shows played how many cws at the 30.03.2007, based on Never-Ending-Total-Ranking (it looks incomplete, I miss for example NTG in this list, I just copied it from there)

793 cws played (concerning NETR), and 51,83 % of the CWs are played by the top 10 of most gaming clans. 71,5 % by the top 15 and 84,19 % by the top 20. In the top 20 of most gaming clans I don’t c just 1 unserios clan. So, my question is, where we miss the quality of cws if 85 % of the CWs are played by pretty active and clans?

Waiting still on the response on my last questions (honest to w8 rena, don’t feel attacked ), but I have further question, which ammound of cws is played 3v3? I bet it is far below 10 %.

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Clan Playec CWs Guess of seriosity % of played CWs

KO 63 serios 7,94
Deva 57 serios 7,19
Hyper 52 serios 6,56
2!S 45 serios 5,67
Lem 41 serios 5,17
DS 41 serios 5,17
BBS 38 serios 4,79
AIM+ 38 serios 4,79
WASP 36 serios 4,54
DA 36 serios 4,54
C4 34 serios 4,29
DRT 32 serios 4,04
THC 29 serios 3,66
HK 25 serios 3,15
RS 24 serios 3,03
XP 21 serios 2,65
SWE 20 serios 2,52
EVOL 19 serios 2,40
PHC 19 serios 2,40
FC 18 serios 2,27
PHC II 16 no idea 2,02
DPR 11 no idea 1,39
WK 11 guess serios 1,39
BOD 9 no idea 1,13
BNG 9 no idea 1,13
Tropic 7 no idea 0,88
Class 6 serios 0,76
NB 6 no idea 0,76
NG 6 no idea 0,76
SUBBBS 5 unserios 0,63
CF 5 no idea 0,63
NWC 4 very inactive 0,50
RE 3 no idea 0,38
BE 3 no idea 0,38
UO 2 no idea 0,25
PolandAMG 2 no idea 0,25[/code:1]

Further, the idea of ranking is to give clans the possibility to collect “all” CWs as far as they want it, if they don’t want it ranked it is simply a “FW”. Things like, if a clan is just allowed to play each other clan just a special number of times, would give it all a league-character and the rank(collecting)-character would become pretty weak.

Rena, the big problem in this thread is, that u missed “from beginning” to give arguments like:

• Why is it better to disallow 3v3 in ranking.
• Why it brings “generally” more quality to ranking if just a “relativ” low amount of wars are played 3v3.
• Are the new clans put at a disadvantage?
• Which solutions do u have if a cw can’t be finished with 4v4? (Don’t wanna waste time, and the player who leaves can’t be punished, because in most cases there is a serios reason behind it.
• Why are u so aggressive? Nobody flamed u, nobody attacked you
• In which way does 3v3 reduce the quality in “generell” as far as they are played barely.
• Especially the older clans have a older “clanleader”, 25+ years old, nearly all have work etc., they all try to lead their clan on a serios way, but their time is limited (u should know that, u work too). The mod is more based on fun as on competition. How can u argue about, that the people need all in all more time to arrange minimum 4v4 as 3v3. At a 3v3 a clanleader can say easier, “yes we can” at a 4v4 he must do a research first in “generall”.

I have really more questions, but I am also at work , but I usually don’t say that extra

BTW. Rena, you seem not to understand the "sense" of a discussion then. You say, convincing somebody of his own opinion is impossible. However, that is very exactly the sense of a discussion. Otherwise we would not need any democracy. Discussions are exactly there for convincing somebody of his opinion. Or at least to build compromises. The weapons of a discussion are mainly arguments, conviction force, respect, the art of the articulation, gesticulation, mimicry, credibility. There are many wars in our world, however imagine once how many wars we would have if discussing would became meaningless.

If I wouldn’t know u better I would allegate, that u want to change the rule by all power u have because of ur attidude concerning the point of a discussion, but I know u a bit better.

Maybe u delete this thread and start it as obvious neutral thread, with good and bad points about 3v3 and 4v4 as minimum. A thread is just as good as its first post.

And stop please to feel be attacked. Anyway, I have the feeling, that the ranking became simply too much work for u, to make it all alone, how about to share the work? I guess people like foksie would help you. And the job-share would be pretty easy since the ®.

Fist right, war, anarchy

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