Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack
^ I have to agree with that. If his intentions were as good as he claims in his post, why lie about all this? Why not report the discovery of an undetectable wallhack to admins, so their servers would be more secure?
Something else to think about, note how the other guys are begging him to spread the cheat, and he clearly intends to do so AFTER THEY CHECKED that it is not detectable:
1086:35say: a3.: upload this cheat suka 11086:36say: vr: k 0
1086:40say: quit: nope 2
1086:45say: vr: not in e+ forum 0
1086:55say: vr: yet 0
Yeah, i'm sure they just couldn't wait to start making sure other servers are secure as soon as possible.
He also said something to the extent of (cba wading through that post again) "why would a cheater keep screenshots of him cheating", well:
1086:20say: quit: i go upload screenshots 21086:25say: vr: wait 0
1086:27say: quit: to show you 2
So his buddies can have a look. And apparently to try (and fail magnificently) and humiliate someone he doesn't like. Clearly the behaviour of a stand-up guy.
Too bad he's probably gonna get away with this, because he wrote a very touching farewell-esque post and made up some bullshit story. I know it's hard to believe someone you know might be a liar, but how naive can you seriously be?
Trust facts, not the emotions.
You are right in each point. But truth is also that he spoke about it with camel, probably also with skull.. Hoply skull will confirm. Question is do you really belive he is a cheater? He hid cheat, he had his reasons, he deserve punishment. Why he didnt say he made these ss? Only becouse he knew what will happen. He tryed to push suspicions away from himself because he was working on his own. He knew that he might be over when someone will know it. Unfortunately for him he made a mistake. But he is not a cheater.
Above Lance Armstrong. whole situation refreshed my memory on that fact.
after i read all posts, i have one conclusion - there is no relief for cheater. why? cause - cheate - is the state of mind. cant agree with argument - he was trying to show server weakness etc.. but u guys answering yourself - he didnt show it to anybody in public. so there is nothing to speak about in my opinion. sorry, but this is the true.
if the cheat is the state of mind sooner or later we will have same fun as we had once.. its unavoidable, like a bad habit, hazard, hard to stop when u tasted it once.
and yet i dont understand - what ur trying to provide some new option - that there are good cheaters and bad cheaters? if there is rule that using wallhack (cheats) is banable - so there is no other possible way like to give ban. cause one step out from the once choosen path will be green light for next one and so one and so one ... 'no we suppose to just give a warn cause im sure that he is a brave man, and he has nice look and he brush hes teeth every day - so he cant be bad cheater, he just didnt know what he is doing'
to be clear im not talking just about this case, but in general about whole problem with cheats and then with caughted cheaters. to end with that we all need to be consequent or it all is senseless.
dont put benek and lance to the same basket.
Bene is pro-gamer . And lance was pro-chiter
but what if he wouldnt have sent the screens, he wouldnt have gotten caught
who aint caught aint thief. he may forward the cheat, and still use it if he wouldnt have gotten caught.
So i think he needs a warning as minimum.
Thor from Elitez can confirm that:
In future we will share our whole PB Folders/Settings and Bans.txt together for a Public / Clanwar Server Standart! We hope that helps alot!
Yep, Asphyx and me had a chat about that, and we think it could benefit the community
I don't get ur problem guys, the case is 100% clear.
Benedykt owns a running dll hook for pb servers.
It draws all model on first layer.
here we got an exact statement who cheats. (see xp_nosnow 1) so we even do know the screenshot is made right before.
1069:13say: quit: cuz here is defealt 2
here we see him enjoying it:
1077:12say: quit: lets play this whole map
1077:15say: quit: 2v1
(imo a true gamer would say thats so lame)
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Caught clans and players for ranking rules violations will be punished according to the warning/bans system.
here we get the amount of time for this violation:
Ban for active cheat is permanent, duration can be changed in case of public apology and the provision of cheating. The unban decision is up for ranking moderators with taking into account community opinion.
So he has been caught, only thing left to show is that he did cheat other players.
And since he played his teammates he did so.
Oh and btw about the he did it only for testing purposes, there is a anticheat group in e+ with oldschool players and NONE of them have been informed, not even hq.
Whatever benedykt was trying to do it was not for benefit of the community and everyone of you guys should get that. Noone of you actually had something of it, no new caught cheaters nor increase of security nor increase in challenge of the game itself. All his action left is the destruction of trust we see now.
As for me, Benek is a liar and it's good showed in info which was posted here. I don't give a shit why he made this stupid sutiation, but need to remember that he just looked how his members shared cheat-pk3 in private forum and did nothing serious. Is it a "I'M A SAVER OF E+. GIVE E+ WITHOUT CHEATS FOR THE WIN!"statement? Waiting for a gathering more info about cheat-syndicate lol?
Benek, nothing personal, but i don't see a truth in your words, sorry. It's smels like a two-faced, like Kaizen did. "Comon guys look at this stuff what i found, need to make e+ clearer! UUuuups somebody posted my own post where i'm glad that these cheats are worthed to use them! ".
Great job to gather cheats!
Let Rank Moderators do they work and make a decision.
The first accuse was
We got a PB screen Boykins catched with this CVAR.
Accroding to the ranking rules.
He got his yellow card.
The Boykings thing couldn't be clearer that it's now. PB ban for existing cheat CVAR, Existing ranking rule about it, Decision taken absolutely according to the rule. Even Benedykt could understand it.
What did he do? He downloaded cheats and come into my server, he took his clanmates and told them also. Didn't he know it's a banable thing? He abosultely sure knew it. Take in mind date was 22 February.
What did he do later? He asked Camel about various CVARS and how pbsv works.
After 9 monthes he accused me in "you man bad server admin please".
What did he say?
He LIED, he used wallhack by self.
All of his accusations are nonsence at all.
He got an answer now.
LIE, he didn't report any screenshots, ofcourse he didn't tell he was using active cheat.
Of course he didn't expect I could get logs and check who was using WH. Using cheats for any kind of reasons is stronly prohibited and should be punished accroding to the rank rules - red card for active cheat with a duration mentioned into the warnings/ban system.
Taking in mind also one thing, he tryed to lie again and again, right when I told him I got server logs confirming him using cheats, he told: "ye ye, find me cheats for linux"
Untrustable person. And I think he would get deserved punishment, as well as everybody from this clan involved into the case.