Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

5. December 2012 - 17:28

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

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2. He was using cheat, but not cheated

That should be considered as cheating. Why would you use a cheat anyway? To loose the fun part of the game or get banned?

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5. December 2012 - 18:07

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

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The final verdict:

Benedykt for using an active cheat (wallhack) is sentenced to a permanent red card ban with a chance to appeal after 6 months passes (2.05.2013). In case the accused would like to cooperate with the Anticheat Team and hand over all of his intelligence regarding tool he used, as well as state an official apology, his sentence will be significantly reduced.

For supporting Benedykt while not using this tool Trance and Kerl are given a permanent yellow card. Please note, any following rank violation will result in a red card ban.

R.M.

Sorry Bene, that is now gone stupid. For the next time, try to inform the mods befor you are starting to test/"test" something!

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6. December 2012 - 20:55

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

I searched my logs as I was asked to do and I also found stuff like this:

Session Start: Thu Mar 01 15:58:54 2012
Session Ident: |B|enedyktXVI
Session Ident: |B|enedyktXVI (~nots@093105020136.skarzysko.vectranet.pl)
<|B|enedyktXVI> btw. aboutr differents at linux and windows
<|B|enedyktXVI> atm i want to check that punkbuster works correctly at linux servers? 
<|B|enedyktXVI> i mean that: at linux asd.dll isnt that same as aSd.dll file
<|B|enedyktXVI> pb_md5tool searching only files what have included into pbsv.cfg
<Skullhead> does it matter? server owners and rank didn't work on a configured pb after all
<|B|enedyktXVI> i checked it after boykins got caught
<|B|enedyktXVI> at jumpsland pbsv.cfg is very small
<|B|enedyktXVI> and cheat what have _aim command
<|B|enedyktXVI> have also much more
<|B|enedyktXVI> there is only 1 or 2 cvars about this cheat. 
<|B|enedyktXVI> maybe its little paranoid but i think fps is not trustable person for me cuz he is playing with ebashu - who wasnt clean player for me in past
<|B|enedyktXVI> and his server have smallest pbsv.cfg :P so it means even if you turn  on there pb it is like you didnt turn on it probably
<|B|enedyktXVI> directly and short: i think some players from russia or not can cheat there without any problems 
<Skullhead> guess why fps is doing the work
<|B|enedyktXVI> you mean why he is ranking mod ;> maybe becaus he want to be trustable for community. "fps cheater? no way he is ranking moderator!" :P i not called him cheater. but i noticed that he react by 'red' card = not like rules say yellow. later changed mind.
<|B|enedyktXVI> i think that boykins recived from some1 this cheat and some1 said to him: you can use it at server. it is undetectable :P
<Skullhead> we will never know
<Skullhead> except if someone takes on anticheat development
<Skullhead> and im atm not the guy to do it, maybe this summer or something
<|B|enedyktXVI> i do not saying to you check him ;p but just informing about my suspecting. maybe not him but his friend :P no big deal. probably i would never try check what some admin have in their own pbsv.cfg file and never search cheat for check "it can work on this server or not" ;] i did it only cuz boykins is in my clan. and results suprised me a bit.
<|B|enedyktXVI> if i will not be sure 100% about cheating there by some1 i will not post anything. if i found player who cheat then i will send all collected files to example camel. if not then also i will send to camel what cheat (filles + variables) he need to add/update in his pb for servers 
Session Time: Fri Mar 02 06:53:50 2012
Session Close: Fri Mar 02 07:01:28 2012

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so overall, benedykt did not reported me the fact that he just tested the active cheat on jumpland server with enabled PB and that he wasnt kicked for using it

so his clanmates knew more then his trusted camel?

oh and btw, found some more about logs that shows benedykt has tested out any kind of stuff in that time:

<|B|enedyktXVI> nice. you agree with that pure can kick pure clients sometimes but its normal and work stable and in real it dont kick :D
<|B|enedyktXVI> and iam stupid here cuz i try to show the truth :D
<Skullhead> i know the truth better then you
<|B|enedyktXVI> it is not first time when you act like master judge here alpha nad omega who know everything and no1 can knows more
<Skullhead> and i dont agree
<Skullhead> I just told you, pure kicks because it is the only way it works
<Skullhead> and you dont get it
<|B|enedyktXVI> this situations is mostly at rsqt server
<|B|enedyktXVI> how often you play there?
<|B|enedyktXVI> sometimes after turned pure people cannot connect to server until they restart quake. reconnect do not help 
<|B|enedyktXVI> kick cuz unpure client and later awaiting gamestate
<|B|enedyktXVI> until you die or you restart your quake
<Skullhead> read rank pure stuff
<Skullhead> then you would actually UNDERSTAND
<Skullhead> and not just talk
<|B|enedyktXVI> ok i read it, uno momento
<|B|enedyktXVI> lets see what suprises there can be for me
<|B|enedyktXVI> <a href="http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/an-introduction-to-punkbuster-and-pure
<">http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/an-introduction-to-punkbuster-and-pure
<</a>|B|enedyktXVI> you mean that?
<Skullhead> y
<|B|enedyktXVI> ok, already did
<|B|enedyktXVI> also there is nothing new 
<Skullhead> i was the guy who wrote that text and it displays how pure works to 98%
<|B|enedyktXVI> i agree
<|B|enedyktXVI> but sometimes it is not work 
<Skullhead> it works 100%
<|B|enedyktXVI> not let enter people with pure clients until map will be changed 
<|B|enedyktXVI> or you reconnect 
<Skullhead> even if you have exactly same files as server, you get kicked if pure turnes on
<|B|enedyktXVI> restrt quake 
<Skullhead> thats the way pure is made
<|B|enedyktXVI> yep, and for that in scripts at servers 
<Skullhead> so therefor, it is 100% stable and does not do ANY FUNNY STUFF
<|B|enedyktXVI> directly after set svpure 1 
<|B|enedyktXVI> servers change map
<|B|enedyktXVI> but sometimes even then, it can kick or not allow players to connect. 
<Skullhead> yeah because they need to restart quake
<|B|enedyktXVI> but in 90% of situations you do not need to restart
<|B|enedyktXVI> i talking directly about that. sometimes it work wrong, even if for you restart quake is not the problem
<Skullhead> it depends on wether there is a shader weapon model etc in one of the pk3s you have already loaded
<|B|enedyktXVI> for me yes
<Skullhead> or with other words, you read the thread, but didnt understand
<Skullhead> as i told you
<|B|enedyktXVI> you never had situation when you connect to pure server
<|B|enedyktXVI> with your pure client
<|B|enedyktXVI> and cannot enter?
<Skullhead> nope, cuz i know how it works
<Skullhead> :P
<|B|enedyktXVI> i had that situations and players too, otherwise no1 would wrote that he cannot connect even if have pure client 
<|B|enedyktXVI> but people had sometimes problem
<Skullhead> also just as notice, i have a lot of shit models etc in my q3 folder :P
<|B|enedyktXVI> but not into pak0-pak9 files
<|B|enedyktXVI> pak8*
<|B|enedyktXVI> what are uploaded and loaded at server side
<|B|enedyktXVI> + mod pkfiles +maps pkfiles
<|B|enedyktXVI> when yo umodify them, then you are unpure
<|B|enedyktXVI> but that we both know
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<|B|enedyktXVI> probably you remember player
<|B|enedyktXVI> from IS
<|B|enedyktXVI> named BR0
<|B|enedyktXVI> br0var
<|B|enedyktXVI> or ins ins1dium
<Skullhead> there are 4 ways of getting kicked for unpure
<Skullhead> list them pls
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<|B|enedyktXVI> i can said that: modificated pk3 file. more pk3 file that it is at server (only when server not change map)
<|B|enedyktXVI> tell me two more
<|B|enedyktXVI> easier: modificated pk3 file = different between md5 summary at server and at client side
<|B|enedyktXVI> second thing; client have loaded more pk3 files atm than server when is setted sv_pure 1
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<|B|enedyktXVI> differences between server and client in md5sum probably can be cuz of randomly errors in calculations in server or client side (or cuz of provider / loss) so lets say i listed 3 possibilites
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<Skullhead> 1: Server turns pure and therefor kicks ALL people with no exception, rotate needed. 2: Client has modified pk3. 3: Client has more pk3 loaded. 4: Client misses a pk3 server has.
<Skullhead> if i didnt forgett one, a kick always has one of such causes
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<Skullhead> any of the kicks you described falls under those kicks as far as you described them benedykt
<Skullhead> so much to ur funny pure
<|B|enedyktXVI> simple checked now
<|B|enedyktXVI> cannot agre
<|B|enedyktXVI> want log from console?
<|B|enedyktXVI> broadcast: print "^3|^7B^3|^7enedyktXVI^3.^7 entered the game\n"
<|B|enedyktXVI> ClientBegin: 0
<|B|enedyktXVI> sv_pure
<|B|enedyktXVI> "sv_pure" is:"0^7" default:"1^7"
<|B|enedyktXVI> sv_pure 1
<|B|enedyktXVI> broadcast: print "^3|^7B^3|^7enedyktXVI^3.^7 entered the game\n"
<|B|enedyktXVI> ClientBegin: 0
<|B|enedyktXVI> sv_pure 
<|B|enedyktXVI> "sv_pure" is:"1^7" default:"1^7"
<|B|enedyktXVI> want log from clientside"? it force client to reconnect
<|B|enedyktXVI> no kick cuz of unpure client
<Skullhead> localhost?
<|B|enedyktXVI> yes, but with two other working spaces
<Skullhead> so it uses same pk3 files as ur q3?
<|B|enedyktXVI> but with two other working spaces]
<|B|enedyktXVI> two different linux users
<|B|enedyktXVI> cannot acces their own files
<|B|enedyktXVI> withourt permisions
<Skullhead> same pk3s?
<|B|enedyktXVI> cannot be other xD
<|B|enedyktXVI> otherwise i cannot connect to pure server
<|B|enedyktXVI> if had other pk3 files (midificated)
<Skullhead> u restarted q3?
<|B|enedyktXVI> nope, for what?
<|B|enedyktXVI> i think you are not get it
<|B|enedyktXVI> i run 2 displays
<Skullhead> no, now lemme tell you my practical experience
<|B|enedyktXVI> 2 different users 
<|B|enedyktXVI> two different instalations
<|B|enedyktXVI> one running server
<|B|enedyktXVI> one running quake client
<|B|enedyktXVI> they have only that same ip
<|B|enedyktXVI> nothing more
<|B|enedyktXVI> or i will check
<Skullhead> some maps include shaders and models, such as chickenctf includes chickenmodel, therefor no server in whole E+ ever has exactly same filelist as the example you just tested
<|B|enedyktXVI> so you want me to load to client or server some addons/
<|B|enedyktXVI> ?
<|B|enedyktXVI> like other maps
<|B|enedyktXVI> yes?
<Skullhead> put weapon models on ur q3 A, then it shouldnt be able to connect to ur server B if server B runs pure
<Skullhead> except you reboot q3
<|B|enedyktXVI> ok
<|B|enedyktXVI> i can check it after eating
<|B|enedyktXVI> but. when i connect to server where are no different pk3 files. i mean there are only maps + custom maps + mod files
<|B|enedyktXVI> and client have pure pk3 files + few more maps + weapon skins
<|B|enedyktXVI> i think it will be only again force to reconnect and quake of client will looks like quake "from server side" 
<|B|enedyktXVI> will not be kick cuz of unpure. but i will test it
<|B|enedyktXVI> never did it in past
<|B|enedyktXVI> if i will not have right, then i will recive to you your honnor, if not, then i will even able you to check it by vnc at my pc
<Skullhead> when turning server pure it will kick you till rotated, when reconnecting then it should kick you till you rebooted q3 cuz of weapon skins loaded from first entering server
<|B|enedyktXVI> atm wast change map
<|B|enedyktXVI> after turn on pure
<|B|enedyktXVI> it only forces client to reconnect automaticly
<Skullhead> yeah but if client and server run same pk3 files it will not kick upon reconnect, also depending on how stuff runs a server either reloads map itself or just drops
<|B|enedyktXVI> i cannot do nothig, i wrote in server console sv_pure 1 and then my client console recive signal to reconnect / reload files 
<Skullhead> reload map
<Skullhead> ;)
<|B|enedyktXVI> server do not reload map
<|B|enedyktXVI> and not drop me
<|B|enedyktXVI> ok i will reload map now
<Skullhead> pure is checked upon connecting, so turning on pure will definitly force a reconnect
<|B|enedyktXVI> after reconnect nothing stoped me. still iam pure and not get kick.
<|B|enedyktXVI> later like we said, i will check with different pk3 files
<|B|enedyktXVI> <Skullhead> pure is checked upon connecting, so turning on pure will definitly force a reconnect
<|B|enedyktXVI> its the point why after sv_pure 1 client is forced to (recive signal to it) reconnect 
<|B|enedyktXVI> but i havnt message i have unpure client
<|B|enedyktXVI> and it was kick.. nothing like that. sometimes at servers it happens and helps reconnect or quake restart. i will test it for you later :P cu later
<Skullhead> I already tested that shit with online servers and the 4 things i told above will exactly tell you why you got kicked, not why you stayed on server
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<Skullhead> you did ur pure research?!
<|B|enedyktXVI> Skullhead i think it wasnt kicking me for 'unpure' cuz of:
<|B|enedyktXVI> fix: reload map if hot-switched to pure
<|B|enedyktXVI> from e+ changelog
<|B|enedyktXVI> i already downloaded new model of railgun and can check it right now that will kick me for unpure or just 'force to reconnect'
<|B|enedyktXVI> i had different railgun model. did sv_pure 1 and only wht happened that was reconnect and i figure at server with pure railgun model
<|B|enedyktXVI> need to try it in different way? show logs or somtheing? or upload railgun model to server and delet it from client folder and then again pure? i think then i will be kicked at last
<Skullhead> it is not about kick
<Skullhead> it is about u saying pure does funny stuff
<Skullhead> when it indeed does not
<|B|enedyktXVI> i still think it do. because iam not kicked by pure atm. but sometimes it happens and nothing helps, only manual reconnect or restart quake 
<|B|enedyktXVI> it just happens :) if you do not belive and it will happens in next 100 connections to random pure server i will post you screenshots xd
<Skullhead> i do not belive because I NEVER encouraged it
<Skullhead> so saying you randomly kicked equals my saying I never got randomly kicked
<|B|enedyktXVI> and we can talk till we boh die xd
<Skullhead> means we are at zero again, besides the fact that I am still better off for never being kicked
<Skullhead> we could solve it by making a new q3.exe which displays the exact pure error :P
<|B|enedyktXVI> maybe D+
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<|B|enedyktXVI> always run quake in debug mode D+
<Skullhead> wont help, since its programm specific and not a programm error
<|B|enedyktXVI> only strange thing is when i conect to localhost not by ip
<|B|enedyktXVI> then pure makes loop of reconnect
<|B|enedyktXVI> and maps reload
<|B|enedyktXVI> reload
<|B|enedyktXVI> reload
<Skullhead> there is only one possibility we both didn't check
<|B|enedyktXVI> until i finish it by presing X at console
<Skullhead> difference of linux and winxp in this :P
<|B|enedyktXVI> i using windows only when i must ;p so not so recent 
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6. December 2012 - 21:55

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

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The final verdict:

Benedykt for using an active cheat (wallhack) is sentenced to a permanent red card ban with a chance to appeal after 6 months passes (2.05.2013). In case the accused would like to cooperate with the Anticheat Team and hand over all of his intelligence regarding tool he used, as well as state an official apology, his sentence will be significantly reduced.

For supporting Benedykt while not using this tool Trance and Kerl are given a permanent yellow card. Please note, any following rank violation will result in a red card ban.

R.M.

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16. December 2012 - 14:08

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

" The final verdict:

Benedykt for using an active cheat (wallhack) is sentenced to a permanent red
card ban with a chance to appeal after 6 months passes (2.05.2013). In case the
accused would like to cooperate with the Anticheat Team and hand over all of his
intelligence regarding tool he used, as well as state an official apology, his
sentence will be significantly reduced.

For supporting Benedykt while not using this tool Trance and Kerl are given a
permanent yellow card. Please note, any following rank violation will result in
a red card ban.

R.M."

I Already told everything and explain everything pretty well. We do not have any Anticheat Team in clandb and any info about that in forum, so i cannot cooperate with them Already RM have everything what was want (links, pb cvars, same story as at forum) - do with that knowledge what you want. In case of apology, i will not do that. I didnt do anything bad in my oppinion. So for me ban should be for half year from start, not permanent. Alrady I complied with RM requirements (except apology). I suspect that RM work on that case with less or greater intesity. There is any deadline for that? Or I will be forever "banned"? ATM iam between official statment of RM and unofficial messages about that i can have ban for less than half year or even take directly unbaned. Personaly i expect some kind of apology. Because of supa cool action like that, i have mark of cheater. Try to find any kind of cheat in my games: my personal ranked games IS ranked games - following those links, you will find MVD and can try to do that. If any1 will find anything strange, call me I was have, I have it now, and I will have always my accuracy award in table. I have nothing to hide with my game, maybe others here have ;]. I can use xp_onEnter "startrecord" and xp_onExit "screenshotxp; stoprecord" and configure my PC to uploading it directly or once per day to somewhere in the internet. Will be easy to analyze some of mine super cheated games - like some asshole pointed here that my acc can be result of wallhacking

Now i answer your few suspection posts here

"FPS gave us a fact - you played with cheat. you should be punished." - yep i was at server with active cheat. I played only with Kerl and Trance. I played only because staying in one place for few maps is boring as hell. Its Better to move a lil bit durring checking server. I do not ever "cheat" in any other game that this one for checking. Can I ask who should do that if not I? You can answer me: You should leave this for some1 from Anticheat Team. But where and who are they? (atm i know, thx to RM for informing me about that) In past i wasnt able to do that even if i want. One more thing, I already in that time talked with one or two of them and they do not anything with my suspection. I think, suspection from my side should be taken seriously, because i know more than regular player of quake3. It was taken as randomly suspectio report? Its not my fault, its their fault.

"Noone nohow never gave you any permission to "test cheats", taking in mind almost every second cheater saying so: "duds, i no cheater, i only test it, and it was no me, it my brother". Good that you finally found balls to confirm self usage of WH and didn't provide us another 10 reasons like "duds, there no cheats on linux, i no use windows". " - already answered few lines upper in first part of this quote. I never and nowhere said "duds, i no cheater, i only test it, and it was no me, it my brother" and similar thing. You find any cheat for q3@linux? When i ask google about that, it answer my with QL results ;-] When you find anything call me, i can try to test it for you with livestream

"We got a PB screen Boykins catched with this CVAR." - ATM its at forum in this topic. Where it was in past? I didnt found any screen few weeks ago about that. It disapear?

"LIE, he didn't report any screenshots, ofcourse he didn't tell he was using active cheat." - I can not do anything if some1 thinks that have amnesia. Some1 should say here that he do not remember, not that he is sure it doesnt happen in past.

@madbringer - I cannot read anywhere that i sent cheat to any1. I cleary see that i answer NO ;-] and in logs you can read also i said only that will upload screenshots. RM already have link to unmodificated folder with those all screenshots from/since that time.

"here we see him enjoying it" - I not expect kind of thinking by that way from you. Answered for that few lines above this. Staying in one place for few maps is boring. Better to "play" somethig to not die from being bored.

"As for me, Benek is a liar and it's good showed in info which was posted here." - lied only to one person aka fps. I do not the need to tell him anything true, as long as he is for me side in this cheating case. Officialy called 3 players as cheaters. All have acces to mvds, find anything and call later us cheaters. He see only right at his own nose. It is his ego problem.

"That should be considered as cheating. Why would you use a cheat anyway? To loose the fun part of the game or get banned?" - already answered, i can repeat this till end of world. Try to find one situation in my game where i use cheat. You have open way to do that

"oh and btw, found some more about logs that shows benedykt has tested out any kind of stuff in that time" - about second conversation. in shoutbox week ago or something players was talking about that at 3m server pure kicks all. Its pure bug about what i was try to talk in that time. As i remember Darky said that it is because of turning pure and punkbuster in wrong order. It occurs till map will be changed by autorotate (timelimit), or till some1 who have acces to console will do it manualy.

from other topic "then specify a better one, we got all time in the world to find explainations instead of keeping quiet and accusing people behind their back" - hyp(er)ocrite. I suspected fps and some group of player. I wonder what you can say to community about rengen who was member of jumps clan (clan related to fps)? Maybe other players will say anything in this or other case? excessive saint community

16. December 2012 - 14:20

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

benedykt wrote:

<|B|enedyktXVI> if i will not be sure 100% about cheating there by some1 i will not post anything. if i found player who cheat then i will send all collected files to example camel. if not then also i will send to camel what cheat (filles + variables) he need to add/update in his pb for servers

Why you didn't do so? it would have ended up in anticheat team.

ps: the players in it stay secret just not to create discussions about whos trusted and who not, as long as noone knows who is in all feel fine.

hurrenson: "This idiot is apparently not familiar with a rail/sniper style."

16. December 2012 - 14:40

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

skull you have answer in my first post probably. or ask him.

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Re: Benedykt, Trance, Kerl caught using wallhack

I don't think anybody intersted to watch you personal ranking games. No really neccesary.

The only thing in what everybody here have no doubts is that you lie all over around and using WH.

Next time, before using cheats, you may think twice.

Case reminds me the one Shady stated, about the caught guy showed screenshots with radar.

Before trying to accuse me, ebashu, rengen or anybody else from jumps, take a look at your clan.

Benedykt - wallhack
Boykins - autoshot Cvar
Trance - supporting cheater
Kerl - supporting cheater
Equinox - using soundhack
Zarzyn - using soundhack
Terror - using soundhack (the only one not denieng doing that shit lol, rest as usually are clear)

Your and your clan reputation is already dead. Sad story about how don't you trust rank mod and trying to accuse him with using Wh on his own server is completly nonsese and full of lie.

Have no willing to discuss anything else with you, as far as we have a clear statement from RM.