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This thread is to simply post evidence of cheaters you have seen with as much proof as you can provide, the more the better. Any babbling or flaming with be deleted.

If you need to further discuss individual cases make a new thread and link to it form here, then you can report back here, with the resolution of the discussions,with a link to that thread of course.

That way we can get a more concise and digestible picture of who has been caught/banned and why.

The original cheater thread was and is a great, but as mow pointed out, its become bloated with pointless non directional statements and lost its focus and effectiveness.

for ref: original cheater thread
http://forums.excessiveplus.net/viewtopic.php?t=3086&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Also let's stick to Wax's rules before all this get's deleted.

@ Hq and Parasight, the cg_chadows cvar I entered into google and found it is indeed a cheat, there were screenshote of this guy who was demonstrating the use of this cheat, players shadows actually glowed through walls and floors giving a clear indication of where the player is headed and of his location.
All you have to do is enter cg_shadows into google and you will find out about it just as I did BEFORE I made that post.
The shadows that you can turn on or off in Q3 are standard but this is a bug that was identified and people have been taking advantage of it.
Please use Google and you will see what I am talking about, I would not post with out finding out before hand.
http://www.q3.jolt.co.uk/index.php?page=&action=show&id=1661
This is the page I found the above info on
regards

It's a standard q3a cvar nonetheless, and there is no mention of a violation or a pb hack in Firefox's screenshot. How can you call someone a cheater if that person was caught for a standard q3a cvar that could also be used in connection with a cheat? We're skipping steps here and going right to accusations. Please provide more proof than that.

The cg_shadows thing looks like some config tweaking to me and that's that. A lot of us play with picmip > 8 in excessiveplus, on a lot of servers in other mods that's a reason for PB to kick. No cheat.

Anyways, I'd like to hear mow's opinion on this.

@ Firefox and Parasight

cg_shadows 2/3 is not allowed on 2!S Servers with PB, because in some cases ur able with this command to see the enemyshadows through walls and floors etc. cg_shadows 2/3 is not a real cheat, but u can abuse the engine of q3 withit it, to have a lil wallhack in some cases, not in each case.

There are also other commands which u can abuse to get not real fair advantages, like maxfps related with maxpackets, if u set here a higher or extrem higher value, u have also advantages against enemys, like to be a real hard target and other stuff, which i dont wanna explain here in details.

Such commands are ruled in the pbsv.cfg to give each player the same possibility to play.

But this commands are no reasons to punish somebody and stamp him as cheater.

Some admins in other mods are here extremly hard with there pbconfigs, like dont allow extended characters, because u can abuse them for some unfair stuff, and maxfps not higher as 100, and packets not higher that 60, and packetdub not higher than 1 and so on. So, i can say, in E+ we are very liberal with our pbsv.cfgs, even the fact of the guidrelex 7, if we would make a lower value here, more than the half of the community wouldnt be able to play on pb-servers.

Basic Rule for people who have not or still not that knowledge about command and config stuff:
whatever, each cvar pb kicks for, what u dont have in ur own config, are highly suspicious and should be posted here to be discussed if u dont know for what this command is. each other command, what u have in ur config, just with an other value, are not a cheat in this relation.

some ppl say that using negative nudge is also cheat and some iven says that using picmip 10 is kinda cheat in his eyes

somtimes on servers nudget and picmip are locked and u will be kicked couse of this

this cmd is default q3 cmd, guy was kicked couse of that settings it can be used as adventage as it is disalowed on mowlys servers, smart put by flex, but that dosent mean he is cheater and requesting ban for all server couse of that cmd is below line.

im know what u think about me ff so beter talk about is with mow or flex