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27. October 2006 - 21:50
Czech Republic I finished cw against KO before few minutes. All 3 maps was only about one thing. About spawncamping and spawnkills. Thats all? KO is clan with big respect. It was firsttime that i played against so big enemy. But iam disillusioned. I hoped that it will be about more than only spawncamp. I played before e+ CS 1.3 and i hate spamming and camping. Spawnkills is something that you cant do in CS. Piece of thinking. I played clanwar against elite players. And question is, can i play "better" game? Sorry but i think sometimes is better game on some public server than in this match. If is all q3a e+ about organized spawncamping so i dont want to be in clan, because i dont want to play games, where enemies dont getting frags by fast movements that inluding very exact aims but spawncamping including exact aims. holy shit people, wake up. Are you sure that you want all your skill build only on this? Isnt is about shit? Its similar as if CS will all elite clans camp on stategical places in map and it will be all. And who will play more clear game than elite players? I hope that you know about what iam writing. I dont want to be bad. KO are good but they are so good to play clear game. They dont need spawncamp tactic for top place in total rank. Thats all... You can hate me for this sentences but its my opinion and i must tell it. OK, question for the end. Where i can play clear game? Public without PB: there are newbies and cheaters. its funny to kill newbies and pissing to be killed by cheater with aimbot. Publics with PB. situation is better but there is a lot of spam and teamshots. CW? Heh. I played some clanwars and situation is worse than on publics with PB. Teams want to win and doing all for victory. So there is again a lot of spam and if team dont winning, use camping tactits. Camp in one of rooms on map and defending this room. "Better" clans using tactic, where players has own positions on map and defending small place on map. This places are nearby respawn points and players dont leaving visible contact among teamplayers.
Please read next my posts there before you will start hate me 
27. October 2006 - 22:10
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On CW's anything goes, Beazt, short of cheating. Using/protecting power-ups, camping, spawn-camping... that's all part of the game. You can be angry about this, but you won't change it. On public servers you play for fun, but on CW's you play for points, that is a whole world of difference. Do you think this only happens on E+, btw? Lol, every good clan on every game where you CAN do it (camp, spawncamp etc) WILL do it, because it increases their chances of winning. Live with that or stop playing CW's.
It's kinda like you would be playing a 1v1 on baseq3/cpma and would be mad at your opponent because he controls the map better than you, and always collects armor and weaps before you do.
And about pro-gaming - people who get actually paid for playing won't even blink about stuff like that. If you would come to them and say stuff like that, they would just laugh.
I think you are just bitter because you guys lost the CW. 
27. October 2006 - 22:14
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i still dont know why we all have to hear ur cries ... Seriously and dont take it offending ..
Its already a camp protection in game and it didnt appeared yesteday this camp protection and dont tell me till now u didnt camp ... So if u won the game and KO still camped will u do this post ? no ...
So can u tell me cause im stupid and didnt get it ( or u are ? ) what did u want ? To jump jump jump jump hey look a bunny , ill go smash his head ?
I dont think they only camped. Maybe its called imo played like a team which is different from camp
edit : doh wtf all last posts are post in the same time with others
27. October 2006 - 22:21
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hmm..yea i agree with mad in the sense that you should always expect people to win at any cost....so it isnt really unexpected....but beazt does have a point..namely e+ is designed in such a way that when the top teams play the cws seem to be amazingly boring....and yea spawn raping on cpma would be MUCH more interesting ( to watch atleast ) than e+ because u cant kill people with one shot...atleast not normally..unless ur uber good and ur opponent is uber noob...
also this is another point beazt raised....friendly fire on cws..imo without ff people just spam room entrances....this is pretty stupid to be honest...also we should probably consider the fact that we're playing excessive on maps that really dont suit excessive game play....we should have custom maps for e+..with a lot more spawn points and a lot more space..i know i know...playing 4on4 on overkill would be boring..but it would also be much more skill intensive.....
beazt...i would like to say that it would be kinda bad if u quit e+ just cos of a single cw....personally i find playing e+ a lot of fun...for example the gameplay on 2S freeze is almost never campy or spammy or whatever....
neways..thats my 2 pence on that subject...havent really played too many cws so i guess u should take that into account when considering what i said.
27. October 2006 - 22:29
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Hey, i didn't say i like that. I hate being killed from behind by a camper, or being spawnraped just as much as the next guy. But let's not get hypocrytical (lol, how do you spell that), each and every one of us camps or spawnrapes from time to time.
You have a good point about the maps Wonko... having maps designed specially for E+ would rock. I can't believe there are still maps like DM13 in rotation on some servers (hint, hint), which are totally unsuited for E+.
Nuff said about FF, imo, i totally agree.
Peace.
27. October 2006 - 22:37
#5
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Understand well...
Yes, killing spawns sux. Yes. spawnplaces designated in original Q3 fixed. Why because you havent 300 percent healt and if you spawn in air you will be killed falling down, or lost alot healt. Originaly is projected that people spawn in places which arent on open space.... What will be great in E+ is to make alot, 500 spaning places..... Then will be excelent push in game... Killing spawns sux. And I hate that in E+ to. I AM REALLY HATE THAT. You just need to know where those spots are and control it with good headphones. Yes. This topic have sence. I notice that I am 100 times more killed on spawn when play against experianced players mostly then against majority are nonexperianced players. Possible solution: Make spawn protection with armor 1000 healt (some apropriate number):!:
MAKING 100 MORE SPAWN PLACES WILL BE HUGE GAIN FOR MOD IF IT IS POSSIBLE.
PS This post havent nothing against I<[]. I NEVER, EVER CAMP ARROUND SPAWN PLACES AND KILL SPAWNS, IT IS BORING AND PATETIC.
Best regards
27. October 2006 - 23:07
#7
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wrote:PS This post havent nothing against I<[]. I NEVER, EVER CAMP ARROUND SPAWN PLACES AND KILL SPAWNS, IT IS BORING AND PATETIC.
Best regards
I havent nothing against KO and other clans too. I think that bigger part of e+ clans camping of spamming in clanwars. Its not post against KO but only against some bad things and principles in this game. Peace 
27. October 2006 - 23:21
#8
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The basic principles of all games made since the dawn of civilization are the same - to have fun, be the best, and, in professional gaming, earn as much cash as possible. Since earning anything other than respect isn't possible on E+ (yet ), all that leaves is being the best and having fun.
It's like this - "Hmm, hey, they're camping. C'mon team, we will lose if we won't camp too". This comes from "Dudes, we get our asses kicked. They're better than us, so let's camp here and snipe their asses off". And the circle closes. People will do anything (some will even start outright cheating) to be the "best", to have their small victory. That's how we're made Beazt. And no-one likes losing, that is a fact.
Anyway, getting to the point. Imo, either everyone suddenly starts thinking like you, or you get used to it, or 3 sec spawnprot minus the ability to shoot+10 sec big radius big damage camp alert and making the game always calculate enemies distance to spawns and spawning people as far away from enemies as possible.
27. October 2006 - 23:34
#9
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1). frendly fire on KO's CW's are almoust always on iven we was first clan whos played with FF on, on Freeze...... and on this time was on....
2). on osp promode (cpma) u are able to kill spawning enemy by one railshot, rocket or sg shot, and u hunt down yors enemy if u know he has no armor couse u know that one shot is inaf, when im played on osp im used a lot of rockets pulet to spawn or if im knowed enemy is going for armor im camped narow it and shot from rail before enemy was able to get it
3). KO clan was always sure we need much more harmful camp protection, and penelty was incresed in new plus.cfg, meybe its still to low? if thats so im wiling to incresse it more...
4). KO organised turnament on config on witch if u camped by 5sec u automaticly died after 5sec
5). KO do camp on spawnpoints alot its part of game so we do use it, oponent can make adventage on frags and force us to attack but if not.... why we should attack? couse our oponet like when we follow thier tactic and go to area on witch they camp/spam?
6). frst map started on point, that KO idea was to pick RL/RA area and stay there togeter, but on first min we were losing couse KTM camped there by whole team...
dude seiously its pathetic to lowering someone tactic couse u are flustrated we make from u a duck and yors clan do camped on enters so im should start complayn about it? hell no... if u do camp we do know that u camp and we know how to dell with it... u should lern it to...
e+ gives u posibility to knock down camping enemy by fast movement, we move when its needet we camp when its needet
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do not feel ofendet its just sound good 
thts why i use last words like that
28. October 2006 - 0:21
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aye, whats point in seeing someone spawn and then typing "oh you just spawned, go run off through a different corridoor" then they rail you in the face?
e+ clans are all about discipline (as are all other clans and whatnot i guess lol) so basically learn the maps and spawn points and its sorted
you may dislike it but you better get used to it
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no no no.... This was my first cw against big enemy. I hoped that i will play great match. I knew we lost the match. But iam playing e+ for fun and it wanst funny. Everyone saying before game GL and HF but how you can be full of fun if youre spawnkilled firsttime, spawnkilled secondtime, spawnkilled..., spawnkilled, spawnkilled. Finally, iam respawned without spawnkill. Are you sure its funny? I dont playing cpma and other mods because its boring. I played in past some other mods than e+ but by the time i leaved it because e+ was more funny. And before year was games little different i think. Arent it? Maybe not, maybe i was different so my angle of view to game and players was different. I dont know. But by the time in clans iam playing in next and next clanwars and my illusions about nice games are in ass.
Mad: yes, i have some practice with camping for victory from real LAN tournaments (in another games). Its some years ago. We had in our small city internet coffe where was mainly played multiplayer games. By the years was built in this place some comunity. And with comunity and groups of players started small rivality. So we organised with owners of e-coffe tournament. But vote to game won Medal of honor, not CS. So we made group of 3 players and next 2 players of our CS team made own team with somebody. I was leader of our group. We played in coffe mainly CS and in our group was one very good CS player. He had nick devil. [RA]DEVIL or somethink like this. Very good player that has low number of frags but excelent small number of deaths. Very active player for TDM:-). So all was sucessfully determined and we started tournament. Spider was based on number of points, that teams gave by winnings of loses against all other teams. Everybody played against everybody. It was long tournament. Problem was, if our favorite player didnt go. Our first match was in cca 10:00 am but we was part of organizators so we was in place of action from start. If devil didnt income at 9:15, we started find of some free person that can play with us. We found somebody but he wasnt so good and didnt know our tactics. Didnt know a game (weapons, fyzical character etc) and didnt know a maps. Game started and i told to team where we will camp. I had a sniper rifle and my friens camped in house with machineguns. This match wasnt funny and it was only about desire win (in price was some money etc). We played and played and finished tournament on second place. By this experience i started hating of camping
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