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Ok lets think next:

Lets imagine next situation:

Fps wrote in new clan members thread
-sneaky'fps-> fps

But as milena did not removed him since he didnt left the clan.

Day of cw come up, and we are all in server...ppl start to flame that he is not allowed to play for sneaky, since he wrote that comment on that thread.
BUT since he still in clan db, and milena is telling he didnt left AND saying he will play.

For who u will go? i mean will u let him play? since he still in clan db of sneaky clan, but also he wrote that in new clan members thread........

Enough to read until the selected words. As far I wrote that I left clan I wont be allowed to play for them.But, rank rules arent forcing you to wait a game. if I would want to play that CW - I should be forced to get back into new clan members topic and write a correct info.

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And u say (the ref or rank mode): ...but but but...but u are also in new clan members thread? what now...what should be taked more primordial? (privilege) the clan db or the new clan members thread in the forum of e+ ? what can i do now! ( i go to ask other refs and other rank moderatos since i dont know what to do!!...cry in corner....

Priority is different for a clan leader and for an usual players. Priority for a player goes for "new clan members" topic. He should be allowed to think by self who he wants to leave and should be responsible for his actions. By other side, leader should be responsible for keeping a database clean and updated.

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Then how about each clan make their sticky thread in public clan forum with members and date of join?

That would mean the Clan leader/Co-Leader can do what ever he want and mess with dates inorder to let that guy/girl play.

So it would be best to use a GENERAL topic for every clan to post there new additions and only be used for FULL members.

EDIT: We cant do shit unless we get the dates off join in clanDB and that still would be anoying to search the whole list of clans for just 1 clan so i would suggest to make a short cut to that you dont need to scroll anymore but just press a letter in top.

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[...]still would be anoying to search the whole list of clans for just 1 clan so i would suggest to make a short cut to that you dont need to scroll anymore but just press a letter in top.

ctrl+f {type in name of the clan} viola! of dear nubby spartacus ;D

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Yes, its free, thats why ranking rules are touching only event games which is going to be ranked.

ehem ehem, excuse me but the rule to what u do refer as for stand a lone ranking CW can't be used, and the only moment while the rule can be used is if the game to rank is played in a CUP in what there are rules about new players "pauses" didn't u just enforced a rule for a cup by the ranking? If a cup supervisor going to describe those rules in any other form, ranking rules going to collide with cup rules. One more time, its not yours jurisdiction so please stay out, and focus on ranking conditions not the cup rules.

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Fala caused a problem by himself. Noone were forcing him to do a jokes in this thread. Ranking rules didnt regulate this situation

Ranking rules did allow fala to play, for a normal clanwar it would have been fine, however you as head of ref team (as you said urself) decided he is not allowed to play, or with other words, your decision/opinion was/is important.

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and event managers allowed him to play. Thats their right.

Now think about the reason why? They disliked a walkover and we effectively demonstrated that the thread is no good except as indicator for clanhopping.

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I dont ignore any problem, Im trying to answer on any of your "arguments". Morever, this rule became a problem only for Banana Clan.

This rule only became a problem for banana because you only judged it for us, if you would have judged neutral about what happened zarzyn wouldn't been allowed to play just as example.

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This rule wouldnt cause any problems, if Fala would read event rules and respect them. He didnt care about it.

As said again, for us it was within the limit of those rules, just bad luck that evidence of the joke got deleted. Which is another reason the thread is bad choice, since a valid evidence of someone joining a clan needs both, the clan leader allowing it and the member to approve it in an environment which can not be edited.

The opposite way of handling the situation is the factor "trust". As you guys trust the forum moderation not to edit stuff out of pure fun (like shady would do), you can also trust clan leaders and long time members. This works a lot faster, especially since it doesn't work rank based but community based, everyone who does something that creates mistrust the community will passively punish him. Its a kinda regulate itself process, same as western economy is based upon everyone working for his own purpose. Therefor rules in such a direction will only cause harm to the flow of the system, not increasing it.

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Event manager (asphyx) didnt give you a lose by WO just because it was an important game.

very sporty behavior, asphyx was always one of the top sporty guys around, even though he leaks here and there I never see one of his cups go wrong into flame direction xd plz.

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However, Kostur and MZI, as I got, were ready to give it to you.

And we were ready to accept it, as we mentioned, we cared about the out coming of a game and who is the strongest, not the score. This is another community self regulating process, people taking wo on purpose are known as lame with the time. Kostur btw is part of 3m clan and would have accepted wo but he also stated that fala was part of the clan without a break. As forum mod he is to be trusted?

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Clanleader won't hurt, there are no needed to give a yellow/red card in all cases. By this rule we prevent a situation while player could hurt. Player C left clan A and joint clan B. Clan A didnt remove him from database, clan B accepted him. Without a knowledge from "new clan members", he will be disallowed to play ranking games.

Just as the guy when he joined and he will give you a date, clanleader can approve that and you should be able to trust one of both. In past there never was a need for a ruling, it only makes people looking more stuff up and is no good for the game, it doesn't make it better.

Btw, am I allowed to say that due to the cup rule we waisted a whole hour upon decision from rank even though both sides had clear statements about who joined when? Or with other words the rule of the cup you enforced for general Ranking did cause harm to a whole clan just because of 1 player?

or with other words fps, only thing we need to do to get the rule down is posting a massive amount of clan movement?