Well i think its time for me to step into this discussion, cause i got to be one of the subjects .

Here i can see u accuse me of camping. I dont camp. You clear things out down the page.

When im in the game mostly i play to win. Thats my character in real life, "competion-man".
I play for winning and as the people gets better the game develops, they find different ways to improve there playing style.
But if we first define what camping is, SuperBo do it very good here.

A good definition which I can agree with. Then you CANT say im camping. If else i want some proofs, demos for example.
Cause i dont stay if there isnt anyone to frag.

Still everyone have different thoughts about what camping is. If i say like this, i play to win. With what tactics do u win in this mod,
it depends on what we are playing.

1v1: This is about using a lot of sound, playing smart, fast movement, good accuracy, u can win by camping but not in the long run.
If u spec me or watch demos between me and hq for example. you know i dont camp.

Ctf: Playing 5v5, for example you should have 2 camping, securing your flag. 1 person in the middle of the map and 2 trying to get the flag.

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look on my old froind moving on the ctf map, if some of u hawe that skils show me it, demo here

Heres a demo of me moving on q3ctf1 and q3ctf3, the one that is getting the flag should get there as fast as possible
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b15q3ctf1.dm_68
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b12ctf3.dm_68

TDM: playing 5v5 , the tactics is different from maps but to win, keep an area and camp all "exits". The beauty of cws is which team who got
the best tactics, if that involves camping, well you play for winning.

FFA/RAIL: When we all started of as noobs we ran around on the maps without any real thoughts.
When our aim started to get better you couldnt ran around without having your back clear.
So when its 10-20 ppl on the server its about beeing in the action and kill as many as u can. If youre in that area and 5 ppl comes from all different directions you dont run away jumping (like SuperBo
would do?) . If you kill all thoose people you feel pretty good and its not many players who can do this.

If it isnt any people in that area anymore you (at least go search others to frag for example in the area its most likely they have respawn,
I dont stand still. This playing style has nothing to do with camping.
Its the mod/game who makes it this way (for example the instagib).
But i dont play that much FFA anymore. Lately i only played there to test my cfg. And usually i scare all people away. It ends up with me alone on the servers.
Well i tested to make some demos here too on how i play when playing FFA, tell me if u think its camping:
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b7dm11.dm_68
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b8dm12.dm_68
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b6dm4.dm_68

(annoying to play and make demo myself, g_synchronousclients 1 makes lags)

But its a big difference between if there is 5 ppl on the server instead. Then you dont hold any area. Then you play like i think SuperBo and trouble
wants it to be played.
You search your enemies and kill them ALL OVER THE MAP.
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b1dm8ffa.dm_68

Freeze: I like freeze very much. Obviously many ppl dont because of different reasons.
Its important to play smart. You say it made this mod a camp-mod. I think many ppl can "misunderstand" the gameplay and the stay in an area camping in the wrong way.
It would have been fun to try freeze cws and see how the game would be played then. But i move as much as possible in freeze, searching enemies and teammates
to thaw, and i move all over the map.
Play smart, dont camp. For example i was the one who started using bfg tricks in freeze, then everyone started using them.
This is how i play, tell me if you define this as camping, just curious:
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b10dm11fr.dm_68
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b11dm11fr.dm_68
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b3dm7fr.dm_68
http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b5dm6fr.dm_68

Except the camp accusing i agree, every maps are different from others. On the spacemaps you dont win by being in the air, you get killed, easytarget.
One of your arguments was also camping on the spawnplaces. The reason i may choose that as my main area is because
"many spawnpoints"= "its where the the action is". Nothing else, not having the aim constantly at the spawnpoints, its what it sounds like when calling me a
camper at the spawnpoints.

Here i give u a demo on me to illustrate how I play dm17. http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/MickeG/b4dm17rail.dm_68

I kill all the people i see and if i dont dont see anyone i go find them.
What else can i do then press the shoot button and kill? Its the map that made me play like this. I love dm17,
but tell me how "I should play" then.
This is the only map (spacemaps) were i can accept im very close to camping.

I must say youre wrong not totally but, when playing against Ice on dm7 i thought Ice camped all the time, it was more because of
the big map, i think you would have different opinion if you could see my POV too. Next time it will be both views.
But, I know how ICE plays 1v1. He usually sneaks around the corner crouching to rail me. I know that, thats why i spam. Maybe its not making
the time goes faster but we dont have any hurry. Though next time i think ill try different tactics.

Hope i made myself clear..
And i apologize if its to much to read.

very good hard ... i agree ... i think this camping question is going abit far right now ... as it seems right now some ppl think that you are camping if your not moving with 350 ups all the time ...

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If youre in that area and 5 ppl comes from all different directions you dont run away jumping (like SuperBo
would do?)

I am quite sure I said something somewhere about it beeing stupid to run away from spawns. What I would do however is to move as soon as I against all odds killed those 5 ppl. If I set my self up at a spot where the odds are better than anywhere on the map to be able to kill waves of 5 ppl and giving me the advantage, AND staying there between these waves even if the action dies for a while, I would consider myself a camper.

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SuperBo! wrote:
Are you trying to get the best times, win by the highest number of frags or what is it all about? Is it really that much fun holding one spot all the time,
instantly heading that way the second you spawn?

When im in the game mostly i play to win. Thats my character in real life, "competion-man".
I play for winning and as the people gets better the game develops, they find different ways to improve there playing style

Sure, play to win, but what I would like to see is people playing to win with a style that doest ruin the experience for others, and I am talking mostly about newbies now (and people who get worked up about camping like me:P)

And yeah, as I said. We only got to see ICE POV so I could be 100% wrong about that match. Spec Diesel sometime in 1v1 against a good player. He doesnt move much wether he is ahead or behind.

And about the gametypes. I am talking FFA here, not TDM/CTF/Freeze, I am all for camping in those gametypes, spawncamp if you want, just win the map. 1v1 is kinda in the middle somewhere. I agree that its all about sneaky tactics and stuff. There is one playstyle I have a very hard time accepting as anything but cowardly though.. Thats when the person that is behind on points stay totally still in a spot where his back is clear aiming at the only spot the opponent can enter. The leader can just stand still and wait for the time to run out and win but the one behind dont care, he just wants the next frag. I tend to do that because it makes me angry that he *uses* the fact that the other player has more guts to win. Note that I didnt see this in Harding vs Ice.