That's a great summary of the whole situation. I think it came from overzealous but not smart moderators that e+ had at the time. Term was starting to abandon the whole project, Trance left the head mod position since Connie was moving to Belgia around that time, so the reins were passed down to spider who wasn't very analytical and following the given parameters too strongly, and people like mow, kee and mirc were all very opinionated and stubborn, so it turned onto a shitfest. The "behind the scenes" part is quite interesting though. Perhaps I'll do some sort of summary journal similar length to my answer to Zack about fala (not in this post though, is getting too long).

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feel like edawn never really had a chance anyways and e+ died about 5% faster than it would've without that drama

I tend to see it as an either/or situation, where one would have prevailed. The origins of e+ started with Sodderman's SoDMoD which came out around the same time as the rc1 of CPMA (99-00). However development stopped, Sodder disappeared and at the time Quake was still getting constant point releases, and with a newer one coming out, the user-base was dropping off and something new was needed.

Enter excessive (without the "PLUS"), a mod with more features (it counted frag sprees) a community that also improved it's TDM facilities (not just CTF). Then another point release (update) of Quake3.exe, this time to 1.32, a stubborn development team which refused to share the source code. And that's how excessiveplus mod came about in may or so 2003 (development started in '02, this forum came about at the start of October '03).

That was the natural order of things. Community tended to switch between similar mods as a natural order of things, but the whole situation in 2009 brought out a tribal aspect which was much stronger than anything before (around 05, there was talk about an all-star "excessive vs excessivePLUS" match, there were even votes whoever would make the all-star team but was all abandoned when it was revealed the excessive people were under fakenicks just trolling.)

Also fun fact: Cyrax (from edawn) and Beast (from Belize) actually tried collaborating after all the dust settled, because edawn had a decent netcode and was much better for making and adapting cofigs that could emulate other mods, but it fell through because beast favoured the use of .dlls to expand on modifications while Cyrax favoured re-writing the executibles at their source, which lead to the release of Quake3e.exe, the most advanced vanilla quake exe that wasn't OpenArena).

Well then no wonder it all went to shit, Reloaded was a half-assed project by autocratic linguists, rent boys and grocery clerks with massive ambitions and no-one to collect the bill and produce the goods or even the knowledge of how to get there.

Oh hey terror, I think everything is gone so far in its decline that even pretending to do an EDAWNPLUS2 wouldn't bring more changes Also as a side note, the proper idiom is actually "taking THE piss", taking a piss is literal.

Hey Beng, nice to see you and that you're back in civilised Hungary. I recall you telling how when you were going back to your house in London at the time and a group of feral Africans tried to fight you for no reason. LDN's gone to shit recently (I still don't live there, anymore, like when you were there) so you made a nice choice Hope all is well!

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Like I said, not proud of it, but what's done is done, and we move on.

I disagree. At least the way I see it, our shenanigans were cheeky and fun, done in the name of facetiousness, and never bringing some sort of pseudo-morality with them. People with a good sense of humor take it all in jest, while assholes and ego-whores treat is as a personal vendetta. (I cut out what I was going to write since it's long enough to make a separate journal, to be continued INSERT_LINK.

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E-dawn team to extend an olive branch

It partially happened a bit later, Beast and Cyrax collaborated partially but couldn't come to a consensus in coding styles. But as a result, one of the e+ upgrades had changes in how configs are made. (In this post, under the second reply to Rix, it's written in more detail.

I think what erred me personally was how it came back. When Edawn's status change from "top secret testing" to "closed beta" to "invite-only beta", at one point term found out and got in touch with easy. Who at the time had a pre-alpha of the new update in his free time, but it was far away from completion and he didn't have a coder at the time. They did a "showcase weekend" of the product to disrupt the Edawn hype then it went another 3-4 months before the new point release came. And during that time, term perma-banned ratz/rtz from e+ for comparing edawn favourably to e+, which made LEM just up and ragequit e+. At that point clans became the currency of survival. Here you can see how Mr Florin wrote that he's no longer playing E+ and will concentrate on Edawn only (it's been edited but copy+pasted).

Meanwhile, spider here was holding the fort and he seemed to be a "glass is either empty or full" kind of dude who saw e+ as some sort of threat. I used to think easy was just a server owner who delegated everything to the admin team, but seeing the correspondence between him and kyto sort of made it meh. He was legit threatening to sue (and using a half-assed intimidation tactic of "10000 euro"), especially given to how far apart both mods have grown, development-wise at the time (the source code of edawn was completely rewritten on ED, and it's possible that even E+ was heavily modified by beast), and how e+'s origins are also an unlicenced copy of excessive, which itself stemmed from sodmod.

Pretty sure you weren't either. You were in SWE as a fringe signing from their feeder SUB.SWE team to stop the main clan from falling apart due to inactivity (which didn't work since you played like 1 war there), and afterwards you were carried heavily at [Mr] by Laktos, Marcus, the 3 Russian dudes and falat1ty. Which is why when most of the above-mentioned went inactive, Mr stopped winning every single tournament in a row despite you still being present, while HYPER, SOUL and even ZMB started doing so.

You're either trolling very badly, are butthurt at something trivial from about 9 years ago or are incredibly stupid (logic-wise) despite being strong grammatically. I'd imagine you'd be the sort of bore to use a pen as a topic of conversation with friends just after it progresses into awkward silence.

Pls, where is edy to ban all those edawn life losers? it's funny how u guys find just a topic to post ur shits back just to make this mod die a damn time, didnt u have enuf failing few years back with your retardawn version? we re just missing skull's post to be completed of idiots
Your friend, bax

Hi Shady xD will do It`s nice to see you again man

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• Doctor Ill created and led a CZ/SK language team

if you wrote Doctor, you meant Drill right?

https://goo.gl/photos/TCzVVq6XLCpqmLrHA

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quake live and look, they were happy ever after with the shitty browser game reaping the money off of subscriptions that majority of dumb people actually paid.
also to make shit harder to crack and reproduce/edit, they removed moddability and added encription on pk3's + some shit from CPMA or CPM that everybody loved, like green keels and shit, so people wont even want to change a thing.

i still see chesters over there too, plenty of them, there is that guy, mutant, hes famous for haxing around there and nothing happens.