Future Clan Ranking - discusion !

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12. May 2006 - 15:13

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actualy, i think best would be to have all 3 ranking systems running simultaniously for a while.

as you can see, all games played by my ranking method can easily be ranked by your method as well. you method will also allow some more games than mine.

and all games can be ranked by darks method as well.

after a while, when people get used to all the methods and see how they work, we can do a big voting and pick only one to be official.

of course that doest mean that others should stop existing then, lets face it almost any competition in the world has several ranking systems. and it could be cool for clans to say, well on the official ranking we are not first, but we are on the system b ranking. it wouldnt mean anything to others (or would mean little), but it would give some sattisfaction to the clan.

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12. May 2006 - 15:14

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But a clan will have to defeat some clan above it multiple times before getting its position, even though it is better. So your system forces better clans to be lower on the list, even after defeating the higher ranked clan, only because they joined later

Well a clan who join later can't be 1st after a 4 wars, damn it's fair, if the best member of ko don't play for example during 6 month then his clan won't be as good as before but he did big job during he was active and it's fair to remain a little (cauz it's little) advange to the clan for the job made previously isnt it ?

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i have, i understand your system well. but it is more apropriate for leagues than an ongoning rank, wich should show how good a clan is in that moment, and not 4 months ago.

also read this as well

the ranksystem i'm talking about is based on a little period for sure, cauz clan skill is based with time, not with a result from 1 or 2 wars isn't it ?

For me timescale, rounds etc are part from a league not what i suggested

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also the main advantage is because it FORCES clans to play each other.

otherwise, lets say SWE is first on list. Has some points. SWE wants to pla with others but others dont want to play SWE in fear of loosing points.

SWE stays on its point total forever because other clans are chickens and dont want to challange them or accept challanges from them.

Do you think this is fair?

as i said i'm against forcing everyone to play. We play clanwars to get fun with a clan 1st. And forcing people to play is definitly not how i see the game . I prefer to inciting ppl to play against good clan by giving them more points that's all

For swe, if they don't play enough even owning everyone i can tell you that they will be never 1st . If they want many points they will play against ko or drt and it won't be easy to win, and they won't got many points if they are already well ranked And every other clans will ask to play them cauz they won't loose much points and will be able to win a lot

So again i don't really see the probs

EDIT :As i said your system will show more an actual clan rank skill and activity, but it's called a league.
What i suggest is based over 1 year or over the begining depends on restarting on not but be sure that new clan can get fast to the top wining 5 by 5, you go very quick

12. May 2006 - 15:28

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Bodz and FOKSIE please stop flaming each other, it is better to talk via MSN or IRC. I must moderate this subforum now. When You both finalise Your propousals then post final.

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12. May 2006 - 15:31

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no way, it's constructives posts, everybody should bring their point about it
btw i love to talk with foksie

12. May 2006 - 15:35

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no way, it's constructives posts, everybody should bring their point about it
btw i love to talk with foksie

I did not say that You two fight You are was polite to each other. My point is that You can talk on other media then forum. And then You can finalise Your toughts and post here. I mean, nobody then read and post in this intresting topic, because of this amount of text, we will lost focus.

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12. May 2006 - 15:39

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and also...if a ranking system has to be proposed , think of one that can be updated simply. rena is alone now. nobody helps him.
first step if you add more work to him is to add somebody else to help him.

12. May 2006 - 15:41

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Well a clan who join later can't be 1st after a 4 wars, damn it's fair, if the best member of ko don't play for example during 6 month then his clan won't be as good as before but he did big job during he was active and it's fair to remain a little (cauz it's little) advange to the clan for the job made previously isnt it ?

that is the way that leagues work, not rankings. in leagues you can collect victories early, then not play for a while and still be first, because you have a score advantage.

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the ranksystem i'm talking about is based on a little period for sure, cauz clan skill is based with time, not with a result from 1 or 2 wars isn't it ?

nope, thats clans reputation.
current clan skill is are you defeated or not. if a new clan shows up and defeats KO and DRT and SWE than it is better than them, ie it should be first on list. Not last because you let SWE KO and DRT live on old glory.

[quote"XbODz"]For me timescale, rounds etc are part from a league not what i suggested

i suggested timescale because theres less work that way. maybe 30 minutes by hand, few seconds by php. If you allow challanges anytime, theres a lot of work for admins because they have to put data into php aplication all the time.

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as i said i'm against forcing everyone to play. We play clanwars to get fun with a clan 1st. And forcing people to play is definitly not how i see the game . I prefer to inciting ppl to play against good clan by giving them more points that's all

sorry but clan ranking is about who is better. if you have fun while proving you are better, thats great. if you dont, then the clan that didnt have fun should work on its attitude.

friendly clan wars are about fun. ranked CWs are primary for rank, then fun.

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For swe, if they don't play enough even owning everyone i can tell you that they will be never 1st . If they want many points they will play against ko or drt and it won't be easy to win, and they won't got many points if they are already well ranked And every other clans will ask to play them cauz they won't loose much points and will be able to win a lot

same in my system, if you dont play, you loose rank.

but what if KO and DRT (in your example) refuse to play SWE? what if SWE cant play a single game with anyone? it is not fair to them. and without hard rules that govern that, it just might hapen. and even if swe plays more games with clans that have nothing to loose, they will get 1 point per win.
in the meanwhile DRT and KO play games where they earn 2 or 3 points... so even by being more active, SWE will be lower ranked. And even by having more skill, they will still be ranked lower.

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EDIT :As i said your system will show more an actual clan rank skill and activity, but it's called a league.

no its called ranking.

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What i suggest is based over 1 year or over the begining

now thats a league, just check all football leagues etc. all are basedo n one year, reset at end of year. and show the best only after the year is over.

but as i mention no problem to run both at the same time, or even all 3 or maybe 4. we can always pick the better one later, when people see the systems in action, and not just in teory.

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12. May 2006 - 15:42

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Cas Im speaking with Rena on MSN, and he said he has made a Database (In Access I dont know) so its simply just entering the variables and thats it..

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12. May 2006 - 15:44

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foksies idea looks like a league, one is force to play. i prefer playing rankings. but anyway, why not making a league and a rank? i like both systems, but this is a rank-subforum, not a league forum. foksie, u can do urs in a own subforum, because ur idea is suupposed to be a league.

12. May 2006 - 15:46

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rena, curently only me and bodz talk here, but others might join later.

if we were to talk on MSN or elswhere, and then post results here, others might show up, say something we already talked about, and we would have to repeat it.

or he would make the wrong decision because of lack of information.
this is not a private discussion, it is public because it affects everyone. and everyone can hop right in with his own suggestions.

as for Cassa: yes in case we start with more complex systems, RENA will be helped at max, i will offer all assistance for my method, as will bodz for his. and im sure we are not the only ones willing to help.

remeber: ranking will be automated, we will make php aplication for it, regardless of ranking chosen.
afaik rena already made it for the current ranking.

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