@Stiffler
About the campprotection, well, pesonaly i dont like it either, most maps have many small rooms, and in a fight you dont come out of range of campprotection, i agree that this is annoying. (had a lot of problems on dm11, dm8, cpm14 and similiar maps.

Well, about gamespeed, 10 ups more is not that much difference, plus is/were usually played on 350, edawn on 360.

@scyzor
i have to disagree with the most points of you. If u aim more exact, u kill better in edawn as in plus.cfg, this is fact. Spam is not very effective in edawn. Anyway, my personal solution would be, make the rail just that strong, that u can survive a railshot if u have a lot of armor.

• machinegun does less damage, but is insanely more accurate. *[on close range it’s taking less damage then it was in plus.cfg but I can agree to this power since now it’s more accurate at long range, + read what I did written in shodgun]

• shotgun does 540 damage max, plus one does 385. *[shodgun is stronger indeed, but if u fight with enemy who has 1.0 quality of 200 armor and 400hp, then its weaker comparing to plus.cfg, A LOT WEAKER, not talking regeneration boost that effect to the sky, also it has only 2 shots so U are capable to kill one guy, but what to do with the rest enemies?]

• edawn has stronger lg than in plus. 380 dps compared to ~360. *[already forgot about 15splash damage? 357dps(direct) and 214dps(splash)=make it way more effective, doubles or even triples accuracy form lg, + read what I did written in shodgun ]

• grenade launcher does more damage in edawn. *[only at direct hit, + read what I did written in shodgun]

• rocket does more damage in edawn. *[in both configs it kills at direct hit, and the splash damage U did add still is not enough, also we have in edawn only 2 rockets, + read what I did written in shodgun]

• plasma is stronger in edawn. *[and has not enough ammo to kill one guy, U think someone is capable to make 50% accuracy from pg? beside bot ofc]

• bfg is significantly stronger in edawn on direct hit, weaker on splash hit. *[bfg was used to kill enemy by splash not direct shot, and since splash damage were reduced twice how come U claim its stronger than in plus.cfg? cause of direct hit? I don’t even want to kill by bfg direct hit, + read what I did written in shodgun]

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honestly, where did you study math to claim that they are weaker?

Hope now it’s more clear.

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@scyzor
i have to disagree with the most points of you. If u aim more exact, u kill better in edawn as in plus.cfg, this is fact. Spam is not very effective in edawn. Anyway, my personal solution would be, make the rail just that strong, that u can survive a railshot if u have a lot of armor.

Since when U kill more aiming less? That’s quite obvious if U will aim better, no matter what config U playing, U will make more damage. But If U will have the same accuracy in both configs, in plus config U will make more harm to enemies. I did written “harm” not “damage” cause I’d like to point out I’m talking about the relative damage not only about pure dps.

scyzor, u want to say, that u kill more then 2 enemies in a row just with shotgun? imo u go just "quick" out of ammo, if u press the firebutton withoutleaving it between 2 shots. so u should be at leas able to kill 3-4 people in a row with "shotgun" (theoretically, since nobody is keeping shotgun so long, since the weapon works just effective on close range, as it should be)

and again, except plasmagun, i have no problem with all weapons, since i am not a typical spammer. about ammo of plasmagun, i am ready for some more

and again, ammo is regeneration quick, as long u dont keep ur finger on fire. u can make 3 shots with sg before it switches to next weapon if u not keep pressing fire also just if u press as quick as possible, which doesnt fit actual gamingstyles. well, maybe one more shot would be good.

@skull, please reread what I did written and this time please try to understand what I did written. If comes to lg I used the words “relative”, “more harm”. And I’m afraid it has nothing to do with mine aiming skills, so please spare me personal comments. Btw haven’t I did asked U to prove me something? Did U did it? No U didn’t.

@mow, sg ammo regeneration it’s twice as long as gun cycle and that means U have ammo for max 3 shots, but if U combine it for example with lg, as I get used to it, U will have ammo only for 2 shots (sg shot, then when U trying kill enemy by lg while holding fire button sg ammo does not regenerating, another sg shot > end of ammo).
@fokise, about the stupid idea of killing by bfg splash damage U should ask X-Mo or Easy I think they has a quite good answer for U.
- in edawn.cfg regeneration items pops up in map instead of weapon items, same is if come to other things witch boost your armor or health to the max, also the powerful items pops up 2 times faster, so we got 5 times more items witch regenerate twice faster and gives 5 times more benefits than it is in plus.cfg. If U talking that is something normal to get 600/600(max) in plus.cfg and is same easy as it is in edawn.cfg then first try to do it, gl! (I tried to get 600/600 on plus.cfg, while I'm was alone on q3dm12, the only one where it is possible to do, it take me 4 minutes to get 600/600, BIG WOW)

- the weapons in plus.cfg aren’t weaker as I proved U before, I see no sense to writing the same thing again, they are way more effective than edawn.cfg and if U want make people aim by these guns make that this will be worth something and increase some of those guns damage or ammo.

That’s normal that campers playing by rail only, try to reduce rail same way as bfg or sg and then U will receive massive complaining about it, maybe that should be the step to prevent camping. All I want is use other guns towards someone with rail, even chances/weapon balance.

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@skull, please reread what I wrote and this time please try to understand what I wrote. If it comes to lg I used the words “relative”, “more harm”. And I’m afraid it has nothing to do with mine aiming skills, so please spare me personal comments. Btw haven’t I did asked U to prove me something? Did U did it? No U didn’t.

it doesnt even do relative more harm :f and im totally against rewarding people who kill others by aiming bad just because they got hp advantage in e+.
scyz0r, if u aim as good as u claim in that post, where is ur problem with removing splash damage from lg? it will make u play better vs people who aim worse then u, wont it?
btw, i dont have to prove u anything unrealistic, if u rly want lg mg etc xxx times as strong, then go play e5r :f